HALTEH

I'm considering my first cycle (bulking) and I'd like some experiences, thoughts, input on Dianabol and Test-Ethanate.

Those are the two im considering as well obviously taking a PCT afterwards. (Nolvadex and/or Clomid [input on which one of those two and why as well])

I was at first planning to take D-Bol by itself for a 6-8 weeks cycle, and then I was told it was good to take D-Bol for four weeks with Test-E to kick-start the test, and then drop the D-Bol after week four.

And now I'm reading of people taking Test-E on it's own...can anyone help me out?

I've never done any cycles, but I'm at the point where I'd like to. Been training 3.5 years very hard, and diet has been strict the past year.

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You're 19 bro. Its very doubtful you need to steroids to grow. And the AAS section is 21+.

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HALTEH

Well I don't plan on taking them for another year. And I appreciate the concern, but on top of my plan to take them down the road, a lot of this is just for personal knowledge as well. I dont know anything more interesting this stuff, and I do plan on getting very deep into the subject as life goes on.

I'm in school for Health and Fitness as a personal trainer, going into Kinisiology next year, and I'm pretty well educated on the whole "supplement" aspect of bodybuilding.

this stuff is not only something I plan to do in the future, but definitely interesting to know for someone whos into the whole bodybuilding scene.

And info will be appreciated.


I'll even go as far as saying I'm even interested in the chemistry behind the steroids and such. (17a Alkynated Androgen, etc.) I just find it all fascinating.

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Grip-N-Rip

I think you need to read a little more and also understand the basic concepts before you even think about starting a cycle. Your only 19 and your testosterone is high enough right now to gain muslce relatively easy unless you have been tested and your levels are low.

wopperjr

Research bro, you need to do alot of reading, start with all the stickies in this section.

Please dont touch anything until you do so.

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DFA_DFA

if you ever plan on running Dbol only cycle your not ready to be using anything...not this day in age...

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This won't end well.

UKStrength

Yet we allow trainees to run SD, Phera-Plex, Tren derivatives etc. cycles without objection? Surely it's the same situation?

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Strong point is strong.

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wopperjr

No, this is the AAS section, if you have test available to you, why are you holding back on using it...sure you can run PH's/oral AAS solo, but you will feel like shit.

Why not run the a cycle with test, where you will feel amazing, most likely keep all your gains, etc, etc.

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Sgt_B

hmm. point is strong as well.

Its a double edged sword.

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IrishManiac

how old are you again?

wait....ur banned...guess ill have to wait 3days for my answer..

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SleekToFreak

It's Kinesiology, hope you can spell it for college. I'm in that field also, has nothing to do with steroids, if you are interested in steroids go into a chem major

you are 19 and look like you can gain a lot more, don't worry about the roids for a bit

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2LEGIT2QUIT

training for 3.5 years hard is not long at all. Also eating correctly for 1 year is also laughable.

wannabe007

is this worth a post?

smokeadutch

Lol 8 weeks of dbol. And your 19. Its so easy to find out sample cycles for beginners. Have you ever heard of google? How about read up for two years and then maybe you will be ready for aas. Clearly you didnt do any research and tried to jump into this. Or your kinda slow. But I think you were just being lazy and wanted people to do your research for you. READ UP!

ChaseB

Although personally I've never run a D-Bol solo cycle, those that I know who have tell me they feel great while on cycle, as compared to other cycles like SD, tren, etc.

Oral only cycles in the AAS world are looked down upon obviously, but they can be done. There may be better options than D-Bol however.

regalgto

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wannabe007

dbol only cycles are plain dumb. IMO

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UKStrength

I agree, but why do the goalposts change when the compound changes from traditional orals to PH/DS?

I've used Superdrol/Tren/M1T etc and now currently using Dbol solo for the first time, the set-up is exactly the same, all that has changed is the compound.

Why not run some DHEA alongside the PHs/DS to help with lethargy/libido issues?

I agree Test feels great, but it's a pain in the arse (literally) to administer. I hated injecting for the whole length of my 10 week test cycle and the gains were similar (overall) to my PH/DS cycles since then, they just took longer to manifest (due to the esters).

Why? It's a powerful oral (one of the best there is), delivers excellent strength and mass gains at a steady rate and is easy to administer and control the dosage, why is it so dumb?

I think this is a great discussion guys so don't take any of my posts personally or start getting irate, I'd just like to hear everyone's points

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regalgto

You wont keep your gains with dbol.

Smeg954

I think you should PM Strength.

He started young and can give you a great deal of advice concerning AAS and the mental addiction that can go with it.

He may be able to give or help you understand the good and the bad. I think you are too young even at 20years old. Unless your life goal is to make money of your body then there is no reason to start.

Being a personal trainer is not what I am talking about either. You don't hve to be jacked to be a good trainer, just in decent shape.

wannabe007

Contrary to what some people think about dbol being OK to cycle alone, i have personally seen numerous instances where all gains were next to LOST post cycle. I have also been in contact with numerous users via the internet with the same losses. Im sure not every single one these users used proper anything but even those who did still pissed them away. I do believe that they are extremely hard to maintain if not stacked with say a test base. I would NEVER run that solo. As i have said before to each their own. And I would also take the advice of smeg.

steezykickz

I have heard of several vets who have taken dbol only cycles an absolutely loved them (everyone reacts differently to it though)

and SD and D-bol are debatably similar in strength of compoudy mike arnold...he claims sd is stronger

how? since SD produces dry leangains and dbol produces wetter more bloated butaot of mass ad strength which many people lose even with a test base

I would say if one is running the more "harsh" ds..then dbol is no different

it is methylated, it is a steroid, it is an orally consumed tab or caps..so i dont know why you guys are bashing dbol...it is under the same ethics as SD except where you buy it

HALTEH

I've done a little more research.

D-Bol for the first 4 weeks, stacked with Test-E and then have that continued for a total of 8 weeks.

PCT of Clomid and possibly IGF-1


Better?

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