The Official "NATTY OR NOT" Thread

[Dr.Abs]

Fellow PHF'ers, this is a serious critique thread, so please let's keep our replies relevant to the topic & use the following format:

- Name of the athlete, can be man or woman, a bodybuilder, fitness model, strongman, powerlifter, fighter, wrestler, football player etc. that claims to be "NATTY", people assume is as such, or just doesn't talk about PED's at all.

- Include a pic of the athlete named, especially if not well known. If possible, try to include a pic that supports your opinion of whether this athlete is indeed "NATTY" or "NOT".

- State your opinion/verdict": "NATTY" or "NOT" & explain why you believe so, and the kind of PED's you think this athlete used/uses.


Please bear in mind the views expressed here ITT are members' opinions & are not meant as derogatory comments or accusations.

[Dr.Abs]

- Mike O'Hearn, bodybuilder, fitness model & powerlifter, claimed to be natty.

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- NOT NATTY: he's a tall guy with a very good balance of size, symmetry, definition & vascularity & in person he looks almost as big as most IFBB pro's. Likely uses AAS, some GH & diuretics for shows & photoshoots.

[Dr.Abs]

- Dana Linn Bailey, IFBB Figure Pro, doesn't talk about PED's.
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- NOT NATTY: leaving her cute feminine face aside, the almost complete absence of boobs, as seen in the pics above, combined with an excellent level of vascularity & definition is a dead give away of androgen use. most likely used aas that are female friendly like anavar, winny, or maybe even deca for some size, not in crazy high doses though. also, diuretics for a show or photoshoot. a form of enhancement that she could use is a pair of breast implants in good proportion to the rest of her phyisque.

[Dr.Abs]

- Greg Plitt, fitness model & MetRx Sponsored athlete.
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- NOT NATTY: Tall, slender physique with a lot of definition & vascularity, aesthetically pleasing with respectable size as well. However, just because he looks far from being an IFBB Pro doesn't mean he's completely natty, but it's possible that he is clean for certain periods of time every year. probably has cycled test, var, eq, primo, gh, with some diuretics before photoshoots.

[Dr.Abs]

- Dave Goodin, life-time natural bodybuilder

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- NATTY: dedication for decades to training & diet has allowed Mr. Goodin to develop a physique that remains admirable even in his mid to late 50's.

[robertowns955]

You really think that last guy is natty? I respectfully disagree.

[Dr.Abs]

You really think that last guy is natty? I respectfully disagree.

After seeing him in person & knowing that he's been at for like 35-40 years, I do think he is a life time natural.

[The Birdman]

You really think that last guy is natty? I respectfully disagree.

The only thing I'd say he's REALLY using the shit out of is GH.

[lilcrate]

Jeff Willet natural bodybuilder



As much as I want to say not natty, I am going on a limb and giving this guy the benefit of the doubt. Reasons being; a. his attitude, seems very genuine and believable, b. not over grown traps, c. never progressed into heavier weight classes and stuck to natty contests.

edit: added testimonial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_0jiIfKJNo

[robertowns955]

I personally don't think anyone who looks close to that^ is natty.

[robertowns955]

Layne Norton



People may disagree with me on this, as he claims natty, and knows a helluvalot about nutrition and training. but i say NOT natty.

[joezens]

^^ no way is that dude natty. I would bet my left nut on it

[lilcrate]

I personally don't think anyone who looks close to that^ is natty.

Bro, you are claiming everyone to be not natty. Let's be honest, after we educate ourselves with steroids, we learn tells and figure out a lot of people are, or were on them that we would have not known before proper education. BUT, considering the thread you made recently, you really haven't experienced bodybuilding naturally because you haven't made any solid gains naturally. Not only does that negate your opinion on who is natty and who isn't, but it also makes me wonder if you were ready for them. There are genetic freaks and people that use education and research to make very impressive gains naturally out there. Some people dedicate their lives and don't just resort to drugs FYI.

[robertowns955]

Please bear in mind the views expressed here ITT are members' opinions & are not meant as derogatory comments or accusations.

dunno what your deal is lilcrate, that was my opinion. we are each entitled to our own, including you. which you have no pics, or even stats for that matter.

[Mr. Intensity]

It's only fair to give people the benefit unless proven otherwise. Jeff Willet, Dave Goodin, Layne Norton never failed a test...until they do, what proof do you have to not believe them. Look up Doug Miller, natty as well.

What these physiques are, are a result of years upon years upon years of PROPER training, diet, and a drive set out to prove to people it is possible to look insane natty.

I understand people are entitled to their opinions, but it's hard to justify making accusations with no proof.

[lilcrate]

dunno what your deal is lilcrate, that was my opinion. we are each entitled to our own, including you. which you have no pics, or even stats for that matter.

Wasn't trying to be a dik. It's just discouraging to hear "he's on steroids" all the time. I like to believe there are people that reach their natural limits out there. But you're right, that is your opinion.

[robertowns955]

As if it's hard to pass a drug test.

[Mr. Intensity]

They test for masking agents as well, FYI.

The argument that it's not hard to pass a drug test is far from proof.

[lilcrate]

It's only fair to give people the benefit unless proven otherwise. Jeff Willet, Dave Goodin, Layne Norton never failed a test...until they do, what proof do you have to not believe them. Look up Doug Miller, natty as well.

What these physiques are, are a result of years upon years upon years of PROPER training, diet, and a drive set out to prove to people it is possible to look insane natty.

I understand people are entitled to their opinions, but it's hard to justify making accusations with no proof.

I like to believe at least a percentage of them are natty. Otherwise it's merely a contest to see who can pass a drug test lol, and to try and NOT look too big lol.

[big g]

Bro, you are claiming everyone to be not natty. Let's be honest, after we educate ourselves with steroids, we learn tells and figure out a lot of people are, or were on them that we would have not known before proper education. BUT, considering the thread you made recently, you really haven't experienced bodybuilding naturally because you haven't made any solid gains naturally. Not only does that negate your opinion on who is natty and who isn't, but it also makes me wonder if you were ready for them. There are genetic freaks and people that use education and research to make very impressive gains naturally out there. Some people dedicate their lives and don't just resort to drugs FYI.

I agree. Most people who hate on the Natty guys never really make decent gains even when using gear. I didn't start using PH until 2 years ago and then it was during a cut cycle. Last year was my first year actually using them to gain some mass. My profile pic is from natty results with the exception of a 5week run during a cut. I live near Dave Goodin and competed in his shows and can honestly say he is Natty as well as Layne Norton. Look at the size of these men and there photos over the years. They have not made any quick gains and have been nice and steady. The key is consistency and dedication in diet and training.

[ezjax]

anyone who is shredded and big is on something.. Natural bodybuilder is an oxymoron.. Natural lifters are doomed to unimpressive physiques.. either they get fatter than they want to or are too skinny.

[lilcrate]

As if it's hard to pass a drug test.

Just out of curiosity, can you post a person that you believe IS natty that is very impressive?

also I added Jeff Willet's testimonial to my post.

[Mr. Intensity]

Doug Miller...lifetime natty. Amazing what good genetics with a crazy work ethic can do. Pulls 6 plates plus for reps.

[The Birdman]

Just out of curiosity, can you post a person that you believe IS natty that is very impressive?

also I added Jeff Willet's testimonial to my post.

[robertowns955]

They test for masking agents as well, FYI.

The argument that it's not hard to pass a drug test is far from proof.

Didn't say it was proof, but i didn't even mean masking agents, i meant you can come off cycle and within a month or 2 be clear of drug tests.

Just out of curiosity, can you post a person that you believe IS natty that is very impressive?

also I added Jeff Willet's testimonial to my post.

I don't really know a lot of people, so no i cant.