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    I just wish we had bloods on the 7a methyl and how toxic or not toxic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoardAdmin View Post
    it's the trestobol making where you don't feel bad on the alpha one....it's like taking test.....you know the saying test should always be i the mix
    BA when is celtic alpha one coming out. I held off purchasing LGI alpha 20 cus i wanna show Celtic some love

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    I just wish we had bloods on the 7a methyl and how toxic or not toxic it is.
    According to this:
    Effects of Synthetic Androgens on Liver Function Using the Rabbit as a Model

    MENT has no significant effect on the liver at 1mg/kg/day (in rabbits). At higher doses (10mg/kg/day) it was less than half as toxic as Methyl Test. Given we are not rabbits, but with the potency of MENT, it should be dosed low enough so toxicity would not a concern.

    I do look forward to blood work from a solo run of Trest to see if this is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tvhatic View Post
    According to this:
    Effects of Synthetic Androgens on Liver Function Using the Rabbit as a Model

    MENT has no significant effect on the liver at 1mg/kg/day (in rabbits). At higher doses (10mg/kg/day) it was less than half as toxic as Methyl Test. Given we are not rabbits, but with the potency of MENT, it should be dosed low enough so toxicity would not a concern.

    I do look forward to blood work from a solo run of Trest to see if this is correct.
    Couldn't have said it better myself!


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    Quote Originally Posted by tvhatic View Post
    According to this:
    Effects of Synthetic Androgens on Liver Function Using the Rabbit as a Model

    MENT has no significant effect on the liver at 1mg/kg/day (in rabbits). At higher doses (10mg/kg/day) it was less than half as toxic as Methyl Test. Given we are not rabbits, but with the potency of MENT, it should be dosed low enough so toxicity would not a concern.

    I do look forward to blood work from a solo run of Trest to see if this is correct.
    Ive seen many things work magic in rats or rabbits and not panout in humans. I have no qualms with trest but i think people are really being careless stacking it with a methyl before we truly know how toxic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Ive seen many things work magic in rats or rabbits and not panout in humans. I have no qualms with trest but i think people are really being careless stacking it with a methyl before we truly know how toxic it is.
    Usually that's test. boosters and rats. It seems almost anything will boost a rat's testosterone; young human male bodybuilders: not so much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tvhatic View Post
    According to this:
    Effects of Synthetic Androgens on Liver Function Using the Rabbit as a Model

    MENT has no significant effect on the liver at 1mg/kg/day (in rabbits). At higher doses (10mg/kg/day) it was less than half as toxic as Methyl Test. Given we are not rabbits, but with the potency of MENT, it should be dosed low enough so toxicity would not a concern.

    I do look forward to blood work from a solo run of Trest to see if this is correct.
    im just a little skeptical about that because that equals about 100mg-1000mg per day for me lol. i can guarantee it wouldnt be too mild at that doses.

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    So is this being touted as a bulking compound or does it have legitimate recomp if not cutting potential?

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    Are you getting significant water retention? What ai are you using? Do u feel amazing?

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    I was using erase at 2 caps/day, helped but still felt bloated, then upped to 3. Took care of the water weight but then alot of the positives of trest went away due to estrogen crash (loss of libdo, tired feeling ect). Dropped back down to 2 caps and plan to stack in Epi next week.

    I will get some bloods this Wednesday to make sure it really is as mild on the liver as suggested before adding in the Epi.

    Strength gains are significant, working good as a recomp so far, but with the bloating that will happen without an AI, this would def be a great bulker.

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    Post the link to your bloods in this thread! I'd love to get some confirmation. Have you been running any liver support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleAddict83 View Post
    Post the link to your bloods in this thread! I'd love to get some confirmation. Have you been running any liver support?
    Got blood drawn today. Should have results by Monday. Only been taken Cycle Support / Organ Shield for the past month. Dont have prebloods and have been drinking on occasion since I bridged to Ment/Trest off of Mecha (last day Mecha @150mg was 3/18). So at the least, these will serve as a guideline for ment liver toxicity, not study like results...
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    Water retention from high carb/sodium meals is noticed...but I think that is more from the alpha20/alpha1. I use 5mg of exemestane spread between two doses 12 hours apart. Very little retention on cleaner eating days.

    Taking 20mg of Trestobol preworkout is absolutely ridiculous in terms of the pump. I've never felt anything like it. 20 minutes into my workout I look 3 times bigger than unpumped with all kinds of capillary veins showing that usually are not there unless I am below 8%bf.

    I'm currently up approximately 17lbs. I would definitely recommend this stack, but get blood pressure support because the alpha20/alpha1 had me feeling like my head was about to explode for a couple of days until I upped my CEL cycle support.

    Edit: I think that it would stack the best with about 30mg of Msten rather than Alpha20/Alpha1
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    What length of cycle are u doing for the alpha 20 and trest? I've been told to only do 3 weeks for alpha 20 but everyone is running it longer. Also once u stop the alpha are u gonan continue with the trest?

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    You have gained 17 lbs in just over 2 weeks?! Holy hell!! Much fat come with this ?? How exactly are the strength gains? Good progress brotha

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    How is the Trest treating the notorious run down feeling that M1A / M1t is know for? Sides as of yet?

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    Hmmm... Now I'm thinking of holding off on the Alpha-20 and running 40mg Trest with 20mg of Ultradrol instead.

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    Trest is really keeping the lethargy down and the libido up. I'm doing the alpha at 40mg for 4 weeks. My gains are probably a bit skewed because I started the cycle coming off of a really strict cut. I did get some awesome PRs the other day with 275X15 on incline press and 245x15 on pendlay rows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighink View Post
    Trest is really keeping the lethargy down and the libido up. I'm doing the alpha at 40mg for 4 weeks. My gains are probably a bit skewed because I started the cycle coming off of a really strict cut. I did get some awesome PRs the other day with 275X15 on incline press and 245x15 on pendlay rows.
    Actually, getting your bf as low as possible b4 a bulk will help keep said bulk a bit cleaner.
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    Blood work came back, and as the animal studies suggested, Trestobol is very easy on the liver.

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    This test was done at 2.5 weeks on Trest at 40mg/day, with 2weeks of MENT at 60mg/day before. I have been drinking moderately since I bridged off of Mecha 4.5 weeks ago, so even with the alcohol consumption, liver values are within normal ranges.

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    Were you able to maintain libido all the way up til the end of your cycle?

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    He'll yeah! That's great news for me especially! Found out my liver can't handle methyls earlier this year a I've been looking for a strong compound that's easy on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newb5 View Post
    im just a little skeptical about that because that equals about 100mg-1000mg per day for me lol. i can guarantee it wouldnt be too mild at that doses.
    just FWIW, thats not how human equivalent doses work:

    Human Equivalent Dose (mg/kg) = Animal dose (mg/kg) multiplied by Animal Km / Human Km

    Where

    Species and Km values based on body surface area
    Adult Human 37 (60kg)
    Child Human 25
    Baboon 20
    Dog 20
    Monkey 12
    Rabbit 12
    Guinea Pig 8
    Rat 6
    Hamster 5
    Mouse 3
    So it would be closer to 300 mg for the higher dosing, still not exactly a light dose
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    Quote Originally Posted by branniganslaw View Post
    just FWIW, thats not how human equivalent doses work:



    So it would be closer to 300 mg for the higher dosing, still not exactly a light dose
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