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#1 Wesleyinman

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 05:18 PM

Guys the Presidential Debates start 2morrow, Monday Sept 26th. I believe it starts at 9pm EST and ends at 10:30pm

 

Please use this thread for all things debate related, discussion and monologue, regardless of political stance

For starters who is watching?

 

Debate 1- Hempstead NY-  Sept 26th

 

Debate 2- Farmville VA - Oct 4th (Vice Presidential Debate)

 

Debate 3- St. Louis, MO - Oct 9th (2nd debate)

 

Debate 4- Las Vegas, NV- Oct 19th (3rd debate)

 

I am understanding they all begin at 9:00 pm EST and end at 10:30pm EST


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#2 BeauB

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Posted 25 September 2016 - 09:27 PM

I will be watching #1.  I will be hopeful that #1 doesn't turn out to be a whole bunch of number two. 


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 10:05 AM

Hopefully Hillary siezes up from all the questions and fucking dies.

Damn Saudis are trying to buy our presidents. Why the fuck do we train them and sell them guns when they are told to kill us in their schools? Literally they teach that. They funded 9/11 also and fund the conspiracies that say the USA did 9/11. Seriously guys go watch the new Saudia Arabia documentary on netflix. You'll be shocked if you didn't know the stuff already.
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#4 WrkHrdPlyHrd9999

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 02:46 PM

I will be watching #1. I will be hopeful that #1 doesn't turn out to be a whole bunch of number two.


I see what you did.

#5 WrkHrdPlyHrd9999

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 02:47 PM

Hopefully Hillary siezes up from all the questions and fucking dies.


Lol. Ouch. :P

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:11 PM

It will be interesting see which version of the Donald shows up.  Refined teleprompter statesmen, or reality show demagogue

 

Hillary is pretty much screwed regardless.  If she kicks ass in the debate, that will just “confirm” Trump’s lie that the long-time Republican moderator is a Democrat, and it will solidify the pre-emptive narrative that Hillary is a better formal debater because:  [insert political snarl word here].

 

If she stumbles or loses at all… well, then she really loses.  Bad.  It will be amusing watching her walk the tightrope of not wanting to look like a robot, but not wanting to look reactive and emotional.  Seems that woman only knows how to operate at one extreme or the other.

 

I feel bad for the fact-checkers out there.  They’ve got to be stockpiling RedBull right about now.


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#7 Bronkko

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:21 PM

as a neutral observer i'd have to say hillary won the debate.



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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:25 PM

as a neutral observer i'd have to say hillary wasn't wearing underpants.


Really?
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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:43 PM

Bronkko. Marry me. NOW! You liberal beast.


Wow. Alrighty then.

#10 BeauB

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:45 PM

All of the sudden this went into a bad place.

#11 WrkHrdPlyHrd9999

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:45 PM

:D

I can't stand me some SHILLary but Lordy is Donald hard to watch. Lol. He is such a HORRIBLE orator. Dude has zero skills. :P

#12 Bronkko

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:45 PM

im more of a michelle obama guy,  but id give it to hillary hard,,  or soft..  however she likes it.



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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:46 PM

im more of a michelle obama guy, but id give it to her hubby Osama Bin Obama hard,, or soft.. however she likes it.


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:47 PM

im more of a michelle obama guy,  but id give it to hillary hard,,  or soft..  however she likes it.


Bill was telling a bunch of his buddies about her "huge balloon knot", whatever that is supposed to mean.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:47 PM

A great pre-debate read:
http://www.zerohedge...-clinton-debate

26 Incredible Facts About The Economy That Every American Should Know Before The Trump-Clinton Debate

Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,

Are you ready for the most anticipated presidential debate in decades? It is being projected that Monday’s debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton could potentially break the all-time record of 80 million viewers that watched Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter debate back in 1980. Many Americans probably hope to see some personal fireworks between the two nominees, but the two candidates have both expressed a desire to focus on substantive issues. There will likely be quite a few questions about the economy, and without a doubt this is an area where Trump and Clinton have some very sharp differences. The mainstream media would have us believe that the U.S. economy is in pretty good shape, and if that was true that would seem to favor Clinton. But is it actually true? The following are 26 incredible facts about the economy that every American should know for the Trump-Clinton debate…

#1 When Barack Obama entered the White House, the U.S. government was 10.6 trillion dollars in debt. Today, the U.S. government is 19.5 trillion dollars in debt, and Obama still has several months to go until the end of his second term. That means that an average of more than 1.1 trillion dollars will be added to the national debt during his presidency. We are stealing a tremendous amount of consumption from the future to make the economy look much, much better than it otherwise would be, and we are systematically destroying the future in the process.

#2 As Obama prepares to leave office, the rate at which we are adding to the national debt is actually increasing. During the fiscal year that is just ending, the U.S. government has added another 1.36 trillion dollars to the national debt.

#3 It isn’t just the federal government that is on a massive debt binge. Total U.S. corporate debt has nearly doubled since the end of 2007.

#4 Default rates on U.S. corporate debt are the highest that they have been since the last financial crisis.

#5 Corporate profits have fallen for five quarters in a row, and it is being projected that it will be six in a row once the final numbers for the third quarter come in.

#6 During the month of August, commercial bankruptcy filings were up 29 percent compared to the same period a year ago.

#7 The rate of new business formation in the United States dropped dramatically during the last recession and has hovered at that new lower level ever since.

#8 The Wall Street Journal says that this is the weakest “economic recovery” since 1949.

#9 Barack Obama is on track to be the only president in all of U.S. history to never have a single year when the U.S. economy grew by at least 3 percent.

#10 In August, the Cass Freight Index dipped to the lowest level that we have seen for that month since 2010. What this means is that the total amount of stuff being shipped around the country by air, by rail and by truck is really dropping, and this is a clear sign that real economic activity is slowing down in a major way.

#11 Capital expenditure growth has turned negative, and history has shown that this is almost always followed by a new recession.

#12 The percentage of Americans with a full-time job has been sitting at about 48 percent since 2010. You have to go back to 1983 to find a time when full-time employment in this country was so low.

#13 The labor force participation rate peaked back in 1997 and has been steadily falling ever since.

#14 The “inactivity rate” for men in their prime working years is actually higher today than it was during the last recession.

#15 The United States has lost more than five million manufacturing jobs since the year 2000 even though our population has become much larger over that time frame.

#16 If you can believe it, the total number of government employees now outnumbers the total number of manufacturing employees in the United States by almost 10 million.

#17 One study found that median incomes have fallen in more than 80 percent of the major metropolitan areas in this country since the year 2000.

#18 According to the Social Security Administration, 51 percent of all American workers make less than $30,000 a year.

#19 The rate of homeownership in the U.S. has fallen every single year while Barack Obama has been in the White House.

#20 Approximately one out of every five young adults are currently living with their parents.

#21 The auto loan debt bubble recently surpassed the one trillion dollar mark for the first time ever.

#22 Auto loan delinquencies are at the highest level that we have seen since the last recession.

#23 In 1971, 61 percent of all Americans were considered to be “middle class”, but now middle class Americans have actually become a minority in this nation.

#24 One recent survey discovered that 62 percent of all Americans have less than $1,000 in savings.

#25 According to the Federal Reserve, 47 percent of all Americans could not even pay an unexpected $400 emergency room bill without borrowing the money from somewhere or selling something.

#26 The number of New Yorkers sleeping in homeless shelters just set a brand new record high, and the number of families permanently living in homeless shelters is up a whopping 60 percent over the past five years.

Despite all of the facts that you just read, the truth is that there is one particular group of people that have been doing quite well during the Obama years. I really like how Charles Hugh Smith made this point in one of his recent articles…

The top 5% of households that dominate government, Corporate America, finance, the Deep State and the media have been doing extraordinarily well during the past eight years of stock market bubble (oops, I mean boom) and “recovery,” and so they report that the economy is doing splendidly because they’ve done splendidly.

By recklessly creating money out of thin air and pumping it into the financial markets, the Federal Reserve has greatly enriched the elite, but they have also dramatically increased the gap between the very wealthy and the rest of us. Since he has been in the White House during this time, Barack Obama has gotten the credit for this temporary stock market bubble, and most of the elite love Obama anyway.

But in the process the stage has been set for the greatest economic and financial implosion in U.S. history, and the pain that is coming is going to affect every man, woman and child in this country.

During the debate, Trump and Clinton will talk a lot about tinkering with tax rates and regulations, but those measures are essentially going to be meaningless when compared to the massive economic tsunami that is coming. The next president is going to inherit the biggest economic problems that this nation has ever faced, and it is going to take a miracle of Biblical proportions to turn the U.S. economy in the right direction.
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#16 BeauB

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 03:52 PM

Sinewave,

Thank you. This succinctly summarizes the absolutely horrible state of the U.S. economy.

It is really appalling, isn't it?
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Posted 26 September 2016 - 05:02 PM

Good stuff in the Zerohedge article.  The corporate bond market (i.e. #3) is particularly frightening -- especially as yields on high risk bonds are artificially deflated because of investors looking for more appealing returns that investment grade bonds just don't have.

 

Just want to comment on a few of these.

 

#1 – That is indeed a huge problem.  A few things I think are worth considering though when taking a “big picture” look at this.  One, is that as a percentage increase of debt, Obama’s percentage increase was still smaller than that of Bush Jr.  Secondly, while the president proposes budgets, he isn’t the one that finalizes and approves them.  This is one of the reasons that it’s particularly disconcerting looking at maps that demonstrate which states take in more in federal funds than they contribute.  Historically, these tend to be Republican states.  If we can’t get the so-called “fiscally responsible” representatives to stop taking more than their share, how can we ever plan to lambast Democrats without falling over from balancing our own hypocrisy on our heads?  In other words, I think this is better focused at the Legislative branch more-so than Executive.  We need to get some of those career turds that keep voting to give themselves raises out of there.

 

#5 – Technically, this isn’t true (but the overall thing I think it’s meant to portray is true).  Corporate profits saw a huge increase between the 1st and 2nd quarters of this year.  That being said, 3rd quarter dropped back down, and when compared to Q-1 2015 there has definitely been a steady downtrend.

 

#9 – Eh… kind of true.  But, when growth is averaged, the economic growth under Obama is only a few hundredths of percentage points away from Bush II.

 

#12, #13 – Not a big fan of this being used as an indicator.  It generally fails to take into account demographics.  Also, you can often see a decrease in this number when economic times are good also.  It’s kind of spotty, and can sort of mean whatever you want it to mean.

 

#15 – Might actually be a good sign for a more lucrative standing in a global economy.

 

#19 – True, but the downward trend started in 2003-ish, and the rate is still well above what it was in the 80’s-90’s.

 

#23 – I think this is more of an indictment of the cancer of voodoo economics than necessarily the current administration.

 

#24, 25, &26 – I have nothing to “quibble” on with these.  I just think these facts are terrifying, and incredibly heart-breaking.  So many of our friends and neighbors out there that are basically a paycheck away from losing everything.


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#18 Wesleyinman

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 06:05 PM

im more of a michelle obama guy,  but id give it to hillary hard,,  or soft..  however she likes it.

 

Out of everything you have ever said, this has to be the worst.  LOL.

 

Hope you have a change of Depends on hand and a bunch of wet ones ;)


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 06:06 PM

Please drink and debate responsibly

 

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#20 Wesleyinman

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 06:07 PM

I'm actually really very very curious about this debate.

Estimates say that 100 million people may watch, it may be the most watched event in the history of Television.

 

I am also curious if HIllary will make it 100% of the way through.  I really hope they get to go head to head versus each other.  I don't know how either of them will do in that situation..lets make it real and lets make it interesting.


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 06:15 PM

I think it is CLASSIC that in response to Hilliar bring Mark Cuban as her guest, Trump suggested he might bring Jennifer Flowers.

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 06:16 PM

Out of everything you have ever said, this has to be the worst.  LOL.
 
Hope you have a change of Depends on hand and a bunch of wet ones ;)


I threw up in my mouth thinking about that.
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#23 Bronkko

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 06:18 PM

i wont be watching..  but will leave it to you guys to summarize for me.



#24 WrkHrdPlyHrd9999

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 06:19 PM

Hehehe

Please drink and debate responsibly

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#25 Wesleyinman

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 07:07 PM

Ok so event goes down at Hofstra..

 

Political Correctness is already beginning.  Psychiatrists and counselors on hand to "treat" anyone "triggered" by debate topics.

This Country and Nation needs a swift kick in the ass...honestly

 

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