The "My First H-drol Cycle" FAQ

[sirlancelot]

What would be the benefit of running h-drol for a first cycle compared to an epi clone? I'm torn between the two.

Also- I'm on TRT so for PCT I'm a bit confused on that. Would Erase be sufficient to combat any possible estro rebounding effects? Not to sure on how PCT works when on TRT. I would appreciate any advice. I have access to clomid if needed; just thought it woudln't be necessary as the boys are already on vacation!

[Stryfe14]

Hey guys so I'm starting my first cycle of H-Drol soon, and my cycle looks pretty much like this:

Pre-Load (2 weeks)
Hawthorn Berry

On (6 weeks)
H-Drol 50/50/75/75/75/75
Fish Oil
Multi
CE Cycle Assist
Liv52
Taurine (as needed)

Off: (4 weeks)
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Fish Oil
Multi
Creatine
CE Cycle Assist

My question is how does the above look, and am I missing anything important. I haven't even started preloading yet so I've got plenty of time to adjust as needed.

What should my protein take in be for my on cycling? I'm at about 200g right now, and I've read mixed things about keeping it the same or raising it up.

Thanks

[woody88_13]

excellent. thanks much

[BlackLabel]

Cycle:

Hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
Vital Labs Cycle assist (Milk Thistle Inc.)
Taurine


Also Picked up letrozole encase I notice any puffyness right away, any suggestions on the dosage?

PCT:

Nolva 20/20/10/10
Triazole
DAA/3g per day


Obviously using the basic subs like o3, multi, and protein already.

[dml11]

Also Picked up letrozole encase I notice any puffyness right away, any suggestions on the dosage?

This should only be used as an extreme last resort.

People rarely need Letro.

They practically never need it as a result of an H-Drol cycle.

[dml11]

When running cycles and/or PCT's, some puffiness in the nipples is very common.

This is basically a result of your fluctuating hormones being all over the place.

This puffiness should not be confused with gynecomastia.

[SgtHulka]

Hey guys - another newb here looking to do my first cycle. H-drol is the path I'll likely take following the cycles that I've seen here. My big question falls right in-line with sirlancelot:

Also- I'm on TRT so for PCT I'm a bit confused on that. Would Erase be sufficient to combat any possible estro rebounding effects? Not to sure on how PCT works when on TRT. I would appreciate any advice. I have access to clomid if needed; just thought it woudln't be necessary as the boys are already on vacation!

I just turned 40 and was feeling like crap and decided to get my T levels tested. My numbers came in super low - as in 232 - and with 150mg of T in the tush once a week and 3 injections/week of HCG (4wks on, 4 off), I'm back up in the mid 700s. To keep my E levels low, I also take 1/2 an anastrozole tab (no idea on the size - will check next time I'm at the doc's) twice a week.

With that in mind, is there anything you guys would change with the normal h-drol cycle or PCT? I have both CycleAssist and PCTAssist but I don't have nolva or clomid (I'm sure I can find it though). Should I continue with the weekly T injections while on the cycle or lay off for the 6 weeks? Eager to get started, but want to make sure I'm not doing anything too stupid.

Thanks for putting this thread together. Us new guys have to start somewhere...

[dml11]

You don't need a PCT if you are on TRT.

They primary purpose of Post Cycle Therapy is to get your body's natural production of Testosterone up and running again after it has been shut down by a PH/DS cycle.

If you are on TRT, your natural production of Testosterone is already shut down as a result of the injections....of course, this is not a problem because the injections are giving you more Test than your body could produce on it's own anyway.

So there is no need at all to run a PCT if you are on TRT.

Of course, taking some supplements for you liver and cholesterol couldn't hurt.

[SgtHulka]

Thanks dml. It looks like I'm good to go then. Looking forward to getting started after my next round of blood work.

[SgtHulka]

Christmas came a bit early this year with a load of goodies showing up. I wanted to cover all my bases so I'd be ready to go when the time came. Here's what arrived today:

CEL H-Drol (x2 for 120 caps)
CEL Cycle Assist
CEL PCT Assist
RPN Havoc (haven't decided if I want to H-Drol or Havoc for my first cycle so any advice would be appreciated)
Taurine (100 caps at 1000mg)
Liquid Tamoxifen Citrate (x2)

Am I missing anything? Thanks.

[spinyvegeta]

Christmas came a bit early this year with a load of goodies showing up. I wanted to cover all my bases so I'd be ready to go when the time came. Here's what arrived today:

CEL H-Drol (x2 for 120 caps)
CEL Cycle Assist
CEL PCT Assist
RPN Havoc (haven't decided if I want to H-Drol or Havoc for my first cycle so any advice would be appreciated)
Taurine (100 caps at 1000mg)
Liquid Tamoxifen Citrate (x2)

Am I missing anything? Thanks.

Run hdrol your first run. Also pick up some Hawthorne Berry for BP and some DAA powder for PCT.

[benjiprice]

How does this look:

Pre-cycle: Hawthorne berry

Cycle:
1-6 helladrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
1-6 n2guard
1-6 fish oil
1-6 UR Spray
3-6 Formastanzol - 10 pumps

PCT
7-8 Formastanzol - 6 pumps
7-10 Torem 90/60/60/30
7-10 HCGenerate
7-10 DAA
7-10 Erase 0/3/3/2
7-10 UR Spray
7-10 7 Spray

[SgtHulka]

Run hdrol your first run. Also pick up some Hawthorne Berry for BP and some DAA powder for PCT.

Thanks. I couldn't find any hawthorne berry at CVS, but did get some milk thistle. I'll see what I can find online for that at DAA.

One other question with the liquid Tamoxifen... I hear it tastes like shit. Is there any problem mixing it crystal light or something else to mask the taste or does it need to be taken straight?

[spinyvegeta]

Thanks. I couldn't find any hawthorne berry at CVS, but did get some milk thistle. I'll see what I can find online for that at DAA.

One other question with the liquid Tamoxifen... I hear it tastes like shit. Is there any problem mixing it crystal light or something else to mask the taste or does it need to be taken straight?

I always mixed mine with a small glass of OJ and it went down great.

[SgtHulka]

Thanks Spiny - the info is much appreciated.

[Newb5]

How does this look:

Pre-cycle: Hawthorne berry

Cycle:
1-6 helladrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
1-6 n2guard
1-6 fish oil
1-6 UR Spray
3-6 Formastanzol - 10 pumps

PCT
7-8 Formastanzol - 6 pumps
7-10 Torem 90/60/60/30
7-10 HCGenerate
7-10 DAA
7-10 Erase 0/3/3/2
7-10 UR Spray
7-10 7 Spray

pct is absurd, especially for this cycle. i wold take out everything except torem and/or erase.

[getbig42]

pct is absurd, especially for this cycle. i wold take out everything except torem and/or erase.

Probably keep the DAA as well. Start it the last week of your cycle.

[SgtHulka]

Dumb H-drol question of the day... I travel frequently for work (domestic and international) and would prefer to not to carrying some of this stuff through airports. I read somewhere about PH cycles being broken into smaller schedules like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, but extended out beyond the normal 4-6 weeks. Is this something that can be done with h-drol? Struggling to find a window of opportunity big enough for me to get through the cycle and PCT without having TSA and/or customs rooting through my bags. Thanks.

[Blade50]

A couple dumb questions, do you really need too much for PCT? I have torem, and have been debating some DAA, but I'm not too rich so I would rather not drop hundreds on a PCT.

Secondly, how bad is the nut shrinkage? Honestly didn't think I would care, but after my first dose, I'm not looking forward to pea sized nuts.

And of course finally, Will I experience any noticeable gains in the first and second week?

[biggiesmallz]

Dumb H-drol question of the day... I travel frequently for work (domestic and international) and would prefer to not to carrying some of this stuff through airports. I read somewhere about PH cycles being broken into smaller schedules like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, but extended out beyond the normal 4-6 weeks. Is this something that can be done with h-drol? Struggling to find a window of opportunity big enough for me to get through the cycle and PCT without having TSA and/or customs rooting through my bags. Thanks.

h-drol half-life is roughly 12 hours.... it's also relatively mild as-is, which means you probably will not see any spectacular gains from it, and it takes a good 2-3 weeks to fully work its way into your system to where you can physically see results... so if you do 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, you may as well not even bother.

[biggiesmallz]

A couple dumb questions, do you really need too much for PCT? I have torem, and have been debating some DAA, but I'm not too rich so I would rather not drop hundreds on a PCT.

Secondly, how bad is the nut shrinkage? Honestly didn't think I would care, but after my first dose, I'm not looking forward to pea sized nuts.

And of course finally, Will I experience any noticeable gains in the first and second week?

Torem alone for PCT should suffice. Nut shrinkage is extremely over-exaggerated in your case (altho possible after a few years of straight testosterone cycling)... will not see major shrinkage on hdrol cycle, and will probably not even shut all the way down, tho it is possible. As for gains in first and second week, probably won't physically notice anything till 3rd to 4th week (physical expression in body structure) but you will see stamina, strength and recovery time improvements.

[SgtHulka]

h-drol half-life is roughly 12 hours.... it's also relatively mild as-is, which means you probably will not see any spectacular gains from it, and it takes a good 2-3 weeks to fully work its way into your system to where you can physically see results... so if you do 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, you may as well not even bother.

Thanks biggie. I'll hang tight until the holiday season where I'll have time to do it correctly.

[ohheyimryan]

How long is too long for a hdrol cycle? would 8 weeks be too long? I wanna run at least a 6 week cycle at something like 75/75/100/100/100/100. Do you guys think it'd be safe to run that an extra week or two and would that extra time give me any significant gains?

[dml11]

How long is too long for a hdrol cycle? would 8 weeks be too long? I wanna run at least a 6 week cycle at something like 75/75/100/100/100/100. Do you guys think it'd be safe to run that an extra week or two and would that extra time give me any significant gains?

4 weeks is too short.

6 weeks is the norm......6 weeks is considered the sort of "safe" rule of thumb in terms of duration of cycle with most (not all) methylated orals.

8 weeks is slightly long for a methylated oral but certainly not crazy or unreasonable.

[Blade50]

How is the anger on hdrol? It took everything I had to control myself after a person got rude with me for absolutely no reason other than the fact he thought I was a meathead. I usually have anger issues, but today it seemed to really get to me