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    Cortisol on cycle


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    Haven't noticed anything but should i get anything or it shouldn't be a big issue since i'm gonna include erase in my pct?

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    Erase = Great for cortisol control, especially post cycle.

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    I'm runnin' Reduce XT by SNS. I'm about to start it beginning the 3rd week of PCT. I like

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzie86 View Post
    Erase = Great for cortisol control, especially post cycle.
    I know that!! But would it be usefull on cycle?

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    I don't think you need cortisol control on cycle, but I'm not an expert on the issue.

    It is recommended during PCT, the way I outlined above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peyot View Post
    I don't think you need cortisol control on cycle, but I'm not an expert on the issue.

    It is recommended during PCT, the way I outlined above.
    Thanks for the help as always!!

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    You got it Brudda.

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    I though erase was more of a estro blocker then Cort control agent? Can't remember where I read it but I do remember seeing it somewhere on here or another site. I'll look it up.

    Cort is supposed to be a not issue during cycle cause the ph is suppose to supress it but anytime I use 11 oxo I get alot leaner so I guess is suppresses it even more. You could order some bulk 11oxo powder for cycle.

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    Love me dat dere 11-oxo, stack a low dose of it on to any cycle I need lean gains or fat loss on.

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    Steroids already downregulate cortisol, no need for anything else on cycle. Cept maybe 11oxo.
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    good point.

    should/would someone still need additional cort control if stacking some 11oxo and continue it for 1 week past cycle (bridge) then pct or would the 11oxo maybe be enough. I got some lean extreme on way but already have a single bottle of erase that should get me 3 ish weeks so thought this could be enough and save the LX.

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    It is my understanding that the 11oxo will also suppress cortisol (depending on dosage), so as soon as you stop taking that and start your PCT, you will still see some cortisol rebound... so I would think that LX would still be a good idea to help with the rebound. If you are only considering the 11oxo for cortisol purposes I don't think it would be worth it. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

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    The PH/DS will already down regulate the cortisol so no need for it on cycle. What I usually do is run my PH/DS for 4 to 6 weeks, then bridge for three weeks with 11-oxo at 6 caps a day+, then drop it after three weeks and run my 4 weeks of PCT. Made huge changes in the cycle in PCT and Post PCT. I try to use it with every cycle..SJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by destin View Post
    good point.

    should/would someone still need additional cort control if stacking some 11oxo and continue it for 1 week past cycle (bridge) then pct or would the 11oxo maybe be enough. I got some lean extreme on way but already have a single bottle of erase that should get me 3 ish weeks so thought this could be enough and save the LX.
    300mg oxo is enough cort control for anything you would need. I would not take it during PCT as it does convert to some isomer of test...DHT I think? For PCT take some OTC..I use lean xtreme

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSin View Post
    Steroids do not downregulate cortisol. In fact, if I remember correctly, they bring cortisol levels up because of the increase of androgens. The reason it doesn't destroy muscle, is due to the fact there is more androgens in your blood stream then cortisol, which is kinda like saying 3>1, meaning you'll build muscle.

    It's this reason why cortisol is elevated Post Cycle, since your body is recuperating from the androgens taken for the cycle, and there is no longer more androgen production/taken then cortisol.

    Erase or Suppress-C are great options, that I've taken, for cortisol control. Both lean you out considerably.
    Do you have any links to this info? I would love to read more about this if my understanding is incorrect...

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    I've seen alot of people talkin up lean xtreme for cortisol control. What about stacking that with E/C around 2 weeks into your PCT? Or would erase+E/C do the same job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSin View Post
    Why take fat burner in PCT? That will bring cortisol up a significant degree.

    I'll see if I can find those studies...
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSin View Post
    Why take fat burner in PCT? That will bring cortisol up a significant degree.
    never thought about that. you think the stress from the fat burner on the adrenal glands would spike cortisol?

    i woulda figured that with cortisol blocked, the e/c would lay waste to the extra adipose tissue since ephedra essentially leaves muscle tissue alone.
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    This is an interesting discussion you guys have got going here.

    I know that you hear that you shouldn't start a cut during PCT, but should wait 'till a while after PCT finishes. This sounds like the reasoning behind it, or at least one aspect of it.

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    I wouldnt cut in PCT just because you need to work and eat hard to maintain your new muscle.
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    I wouldnt cut in PCT just because you need to work and eat hard to maintain your new muscle.
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    Also a lot of people are way to obsessed with BF%. Unless you are competing dont stress it so much. You dont need fat burners when you can just eat right and train hard, as long as you arent entering a show or something lol. Just my opinion though, I know a lot of people like fat burners for whatever reason.
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    You know, I agree. It's interesting though, the world says you have to cut fat. People poke fun at my bulking gut all the time. One guy from India once said to me, "I have never seen a Bodybuilder with a 'paunch.'" When I inquired what a "paunch" might be, he pointed to my bulking gut. I then politely explained to him that I was a strength athlete and not a Bodybuilder. He said, "Oh."

    I think this statement sums it up though. A trainee at a commercial gym once told me, between reps of situps, "You are always judged by your abs." Interesting statement that I don't agree with, but have seen a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to it's truth.

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    Another example closer to home: I wrote a Review of my recent Havoc cycle. I posted pics. A few guys said I looked huge. hungryH left his opinion: "Need to cut. Badly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peyot View Post
    You know, I agree. It's interesting though, the world says you have to cut fat. People poke fun at my bulking gut all the time. One guy from India once said to me, "I have never seen a Bodybuilder with a 'paunch.'" When I inquired what a "paunch" might be, he pointed to my bulking gut. I then politely explained to him that I was a strength athlete and not a Bodybuilder. He said, "Oh."

    I think this statement sums it up though. A trainee at a commercial gym once told me, between reps of situps, "You are always judged by your abs." Interesting statement that I don't agree with, but have seen a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to it's truth.
    Yea i have a friend who also looks like he has a huge gut during his "off season" but when hes cut and ripped to shreds no one says shit....Funny how everyone wants a certain look but won't work for it. If you wanna look good cut you have to bulk to get there. Also like you strength training is alll about strenght not how cut you are. I think normal everyday people who work out once in a while and don't really care will never understand it

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