A week into D-plex + 11 spray...

I'm about a week into my cycle of D-plex/11 spray. I'm dosing it at 100mg/ed D-plex and 25-30 sprays/ed 11 spray. (I'm running 11 spray at that amount because its proven to be the most efficient way to run it for me. I can (lightly) cover my torso, sack, insides of legs, and tops of feet with that amount.)
I'm trying to keep a slight caloric deficit, but allow myself to eat at maintanance if I feel like I need to. Overall my goal is to recomp.

I stepped on the scale this morning, and surpisingly I am up 6lbs. I was not expecting to gain weight under caloric restiction with a compound that is said to be very dry. Other than weight, I haven't really noticed much. I've been REALLY sore the last couple days but I just started doing some new exercises for back so I kind of expect that.

Anybody else gain weight this quick with D-plex? It really took me by surprise.

if you don't me asking, are you upset with this weight gain ? have you not noticed an increased leanness/hardness to your physique yet ?

When I ran d plex the firs week or so I gained then whoosh it all just fell right off. Give it some time it'll come off

[QUOTE=Dr.Abs;842902]if you don't me asking, are you upset with this weight gain ? have you not noticed an increased leanness/hardness to your physique yet ?[/QUOTE]

Not upset...
If I gained 6lbs of lean mass I would be thrilled. I didnt think I would really gain much in terms of weight on this though, so I'm left wondering what I'm missing.
As far as a lean/hardening effect, I can't say I notice anything different than running the 11 spray alone at this point. My nips (areolas) are smaller (usually only happens with a pump)...I don't recall ever noticing that with 11 spray or 11oxo. Other than that Im just waiting for the magic.

[QUOTE=bigbumpkin2003;842939]When I ran d plex the firs week or so I gained then whoosh it all just fell right off. Give it some time it'll come off[/QUOTE]

Hey bro how's the recovery coming?

I was just going through your old log (one of the few on D-plex) and saw that you had almost the same exact experience with weight gain. There must be some sort of temperary water or glycogen storage effect.

Yep I really think you hold some water at first . But if you come away with a similar experience overall, gaining little or no weight , but having your strength increase,I feel that's no a bad result . Best of luck bro !never done 11 so can't really speak to those effects .

I woke up a little more vascular today. I don't notice an increase while working out but maybe a bit more vascularity on off days. Dealing with some back issues, partly because I think I need to get adjusted but Im going to start taking some more taurine and see if that helps.
I also noticed in the gym yesterday that my elbows hurt more than normal doing skull crushers, and my knees pop a little more than normal when bending my legs.

bro .. if ure looking into an mirror and u dont see weight gain in tummy area .. but u step on a scale and see weight .. thats great.

i havent ran d-plex ..but ive heard good reviews of it .. its a clone of "the one" right ? just higher dosed

[QUOTE=Gq-Nemesis;843620]bro .. if ure looking into an mirror and u dont see weight gain in tummy area .. but u step on a scale and see weight .. thats great.

i havent ran d-plex ..but ive heard good reviews of it .. its a clone of "the one" right ? just higher dosed[/QUOTE]


Agreed. I don't see weight gain as a negative thing, it just surprised me. Now that I have went back through some other people's logs, it seems that everyone has had the exact same experience: ~5lb gain in 5 days, but end of cycle weight seems to be close to starting weight.
Either way I'm fine, at 185lbs I am happy with just hardening up, but adding weight is a welcome bonus as well, as long as it's lean.

I have some AMS 1 andro here, but not very much. I could add in 200mg/day if I bought another box...I'm sure 100mg/day would have no noticable effect...anyone think 200mg/day would make a difference?

Holy shit.

I just stepped on the scale, and I'm up 13lbs. from 12 days ago, when I took my first dose of D-plex. I will admit, I have been a little more reckless than usual with the diet these last few days. I assume I can use a few more calories here and there so I've allowed myself some cheats...no fucking way I've ate myself into a 13lb. gain naturally though. I'm pretty self aware when it comes to what I eat and what effect it has. If I wasn't cycling and I gained 3 lbs. I wouldn't be surpised, but 13 blew me out of the fucking water!
This makes sense because in the mirror, I feel like if anything I've gotten a little softer, not harder like most seem to respond to D-plex. I think I might end up with a little bit more anabolism than I expected, which is great. Hopefully I dont have a bunch of fat to lose when the cycle is over though.
I changed up my workout routine so it's tough to compare strength. I felt stronger on a couple lifts, but not on others (I felt maybe even weaker on pull ups, but that makes sense now that I know Im carrying an extra 13lbs.)

My back hasn't felt good thoughout this cycle. Today I have a steady dull pain right around the kidney area, and had to waddle to the car after lifting at the gym from the pump. I'll be upping my taurine intake a bit more to see if that helps.
I had a burning pump in my forearms, biceps, and rear delts tonight towards the end of my workout. Doing higher reps + D-plex = crazy pumps.
I was considering adding in some 1-andro or even P-stanz, but with this weight gain I might be best to leave it as is. Still running 100mg/ed. 25mg morning, 50mg pre w/o (4pm), and 25mg before bed.

BTW-
If you haven't already figured it out, I'm going to update this thread from time to time. I don't want to commit to a log, but since there isn't a ton of info out there on D-plex I will share what I learn.
I'm always open to help/suggestions from onlookers as well.

I really liked d-plex. I dont know why everyone says you cant gain mass on it, they clearly dont know how to eat. I walked away with a few pounds after PCT, increased strength, and I looked dry and could tell I lost a little fat.

Yeah, I don't think mass is going to be a problem. Back pumps, however, are becoming a giant pain in my ass. Took about 8g taurine throughout the day today and still got back pumps from just walking around. I used a broom at work today and seriously had to stop after about 3 minutes.

I'm not sure if I should drop the dosage down, or if this is something that is just temporary at this point in the cycle. I have also considered halfing the dose and stacking with something else, but I dont want to knock the dose down so far that the gains disappear.
Currently, (for the first two weeks) I'm at:

D-plex: 100mg/100mg
11 spray: 25 sp/25 sp

I could turn this cycle into something like:

D-plex: 100/100/ 50/ 50/ 50/ 0
P-stanz 0/ 0/300/300/300/300
11 spray 25/ 25/ 25/ 25/ 25/ 25

Original plans were to run D-plex @ 100mg for 5 weeks and 11 spray at 25 sprays for 5 weeks.

I'm really open to suggestions here guys...anyone have a solution for the back pumps?

[QUOTE=redemption79;846932]I'm really open to suggestions here guys...anyone have a solution for the back pumps?[/QUOTE]

Even more Taurine, water and stretching.

reduce sodium intake, increase potassium intake, that could help. You can also try foam rolling out the lower back a few times a day to loosen it up.

[QUOTE=dml11;846942]Even more Taurine, water and stretching.[/QUOTE]

I drink water all day long, but I haven't really stretched it...any suggestions of stretches for the lower back? Its not always a pump, sometimes it feels like its sore/weak, but when I try to do anything involving the muscle at all it gets a pump.

sorry to hear bout the back troubles, ran d-plex twice myself and never had any ill sides

Bring on the bananas!!

Woke up this morning and ate (Usually follow an IF protocol but eating now whenever...trying to see if it helps). I had 2 banannas, protein shake, cycle support, xtend, and 5g Taurine in an effort to mitigate this back pump nonsense. It's still there. Last time I did upper body work in the gym (upper back, chest, arms, shoulders) it actually seemed to get better. Almost like the blood went to the rest of my body and it releived my back. I'm headed there shortly so I will know soon enough. I have also felt "sore" much more during this cycle. Somewhat similar to when I ran H-drol, but that was a long time ago so hard to compare.

Going down to 75mg for now (sad face) to see if that makes any difference after a few days. Does anyone think that mixing up PHs like I outlined above would make a difference? I'm right about 2 weeks in right now so if I were going to stack anything now would be the time.

I think a sticky on back pumps and remedies would be valuable on this forum. This is the first time I've had anything like this (had mild back pumps before but they were short lived) and it sucks. I definitely dont want to end the cycle but its starting to affect my daily workload. It becomes counter productive.

For me, when I was on Tren the back pumps were horrible. Sometimes I would just have to lay on a bench in the gym. Taurine, water, foam rolling. Good luck!

I'm glad the dplex is working for you bro but seriously just up the dose of the taurine to ten grams and when ever you feel the pump coming on just stretch hard. Look up some lower back stretches.

Bananas aren't going to do shit. You need something like

[img]http://store.superdeliveryguys.com/product_images/o/826/no-salt__23455_zoom.jpg[/img]

or straight up K/Mg tablets to make a dent in your electrolyte balance. Not saying that will help for sure, but adding a few bananas is not enough to know. You can also try some dandelion tea or tablets, it's a mild diuretic and I've heard some people say it helps.

Also, try rolling out your lower back ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOpnaplkmXU]Foam Roller Exercises for Your Lower Back and Lumbar Spine - YouTube[/url]) Stretching won't do shit if the muscles don't relax first.