Over 40 prohormone use and discussion

[Kagigi]

10 days 15mg phera up 10lbs Need to up the cals. Bumping dose to 30mg tomorrow.

[C-smooth]

10 days 15mg phera up 10lbs Need to up the cals. Bumping dose to 30mg tomorrow.

Hell ya.....fuel the fire..my friend...

[sillydoc39]

10 days 15mg phera up 10lbs Need to up the cals. Bumping dose to 30mg tomorrow.

Phera is my favorite. Love how you feel on it. 45 mgs was my sweet spot.

[Ryzer]

3 weeks UD, 2 weeks SD. From day 1 of UD I'm now 10.5 lbs up and leaner than I've been in awhile. But....I'm done. I draw the line at my dick telling me to go to hell. For the first time in my life that little fucker failed me last night and oh man is that a horrible feeling! Been a good run, gains have been awesome but PCT starts today cuz that little bastard has a hot brazilian chick who isnt to happy with him right now!

[Mrvenom808]

3 weeks UD, 2 weeks SD. From day 1 of UD I'm now 10.5 lbs up and leaner than I've been in awhile. But....I'm done. I draw the line at my dick telling me to go to hell. For the first time in my life that little fucker failed me last night and oh man is that a horrible feeling! Been a good run, gains have been awesome but PCT starts today cuz that little bastard has a hot brazilian chick who isnt to happy with him right now!

Hopefully you will come back after a bit of rest. Make up _ex will be awsome when he comes alive and rockin.

[kbordner]

3 weeks UD, 2 weeks SD. From day 1 of UD I'm now 10.5 lbs up and leaner than I've been in awhile. But....I'm done. I draw the line at my dick telling me to go to hell. For the first time in my life that little fucker failed me last night and oh man is that a horrible feeling! Been a good run, gains have been awesome but PCT starts today cuz that little bastard has a hot brazilian chick who isnt to happy with him right now!

Test is calling......it will make you 19 again!

[Ryzer]

Test is calling......it will make you 19 again!

Big Dawg, I'm all over that! It is mapped out and just waiting for post cycle to be done

[gp1963]

Ouch!!!

[PHNewbie]

Test is calling......it will make you 19 again!

^^^ this........

[40fat]

If you already have the test you could just jump on now. Anyone see a problem with doing that?

[kbordner]

If you already have the test you could just jump on now. Anyone see a problem with doing that?

I would jump right on it!

[bigbumpkin2003]

I would jump right on it!

like your style bro !

[spinyvegeta]

If you already have the test you could just jump on now. Anyone see a problem with doing that?

Instead of pct?

[bigbumpkin2003]

Instead of pct?

well-in an over 40 yrs thread prolly 90 % of us qualify for TRT sooooooooooooo

[spinyvegeta]

well-in an over 40 yrs thread prolly 90 % of us qualify for TRT sooooooooooooo

I meant if he had already started it wouldnt he be in wait mode for 3 months to touch that sweet test?

[The Oldsman]

3 weeks UD, 2 weeks SD. From day 1 of UD I'm now 10.5 lbs up and leaner than I've been in awhile. But....I'm done. I draw the line at my dick telling me to go to hell. For the first time in my life that little fucker failed me last night and oh man is that a horrible feeling! Been a good run, gains have been awesome but PCT starts today cuz that little bastard has a hot brazilian chick who isnt to happy with him right now!

SD is an awesome builder, but ?

[Ryzer]

SD is an awesome builder, but ?

Old.....SD was definitely legit. I felt awesome in the gym, gains were amazing, constant swollen feel. But....it straight shut me down hard. Never experienced that in my life. Right now I"m in the boat of an unhappy girlfriend who thinks my desire for "big muscles", is more important to me than my desire for her It's taken some serious face to face to convince her that it's just a chemical issue right now, and that it'll be fixed soon. And now, she's kind of balking at the test plan.....she thinks I'm gonna go and kill my dick again lol. So after post is done, I'm just gonna chill for a lil bit before starting test. She'll come back around again.....cuz I know she wants to run var again

[Ryzer]

By the way fellas.....anyone have a speedy pct, kickstart to the balls idea? I'm running Torem, figured 90/60/60/30. But the first 2 days I ran 120. I"m also running Titanium XL. Thought I had more DAA, but turns out it's gone.

[gp1963]

anyone have a speedy pct, kickstart

I'd get more DAA. In addition I've been using high dose herbs spread throughout the day. I know it's mumbo jumbo but I (and wifey) think it works WELL:

Ginseng - 1,000
Trib - 750
Damiana - 1,350
Maca - 1,500
Horny Goat Weed - 1,000
Mucuna Pruriens - 800
Muira Puama - 3,000
Fenugreek - 3,600

[PHNewbie]

By the way fellas.....anyone have a speedy pct, kickstart to the balls idea? I'm running Torem, figured 90/60/60/30. But the first 2 days I ran 120. I"m also running Titanium XL. Thought I had more DAA, but turns out it's gone.

I agree. Add the DAA.

Test will do the exact opposite. I can't keep my hands off my girl. Can't get enough.

[kbordner]

You know what they say " a hard man is good to find"

[Crapper]

Old.....SD was definitely legit. I felt awesome in the gym, gains were amazing, constant swollen feel. But....it straight shut me down hard. Never experienced that in my life.

Do you think that you would have been shut down, even if you just would have done 3-4 weeks of SD? I mean, you did UD 3 weeks prior 2 weeks SD, right? Just curious, since I would like to try SD myself. Seems tough if 2 weeks of SD shuts you down hard.

[Ryzer]

Do you think that you would have been shut down, even if you just would have done 3-4 weeks of SD? I mean, you did UD 3 weeks prior 2 weeks SD, right? Just curious, since I would like to try SD myself. Seems tough if 2 weeks of SD shuts you down hard.

I don't know dude, I've wondered that myself. I'm sure Ultra and SD back to back is fairly damm potent, but I've read wayyyyy more intensely stacked cycles on these forums. Maybe there's more shutdown going on and just not everyone mentions it? It definitely sucked for me and was a blow to the ego, but I figured I'd throw it on here just so anyone lookin at SD down the road prepares themselves for any possibility....

SD was truly the shit on cycle I will say......strength gains, weight gain, alpha, the works. Hell, I'm even gaining in post cycle LOL. Yesterday morning at the gym I was 219 and 3 quarters on the scale. That puts me almost 29 lbs up since day 1 of Pmag back at the beginning of March And, the best part of all, I'm not getting chubby. Shit, I bought my girl a massage certificate today, and the massage therapist at the counter remarked I looked like a bodybuilder.........gotta admit that felt good If she only knew my dick was broke, haha!, eatin Torem like candy, that lil fucker will be back pronto!

[50plus]

Greetings, gentlemen. I joined this forum just to get in on this thread. The question/problem I have relates to sudden high blood pressure since starting 2 1/2 weeks ago on Extreme H50, which is 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

phfsupplements.com//xtreme-h50.html "an H-Drol clone"

My BP before starting was 120/80. After the first three days in, 2 caps per day, there really was no change in anything. I also didn't feel anything. The bottle label suggests 2 per day, with going up to a max of 3 per day.

But around day 5 or 6, I was up by 5 pounds which naturally enough was mostly water. My systolic BP was now climbing. By day 11, it was up to 147. I'd also had a mild headache for several days. So I cut back to 1 cap (50mg) per day. Systolic BP dropped to about 135. Now, at 2 1/2 weeks and still on 1 cap per day, it's back up to 142. The funny thing is that with the heat wave I've lost a pound or two, so my water is down but that hasn't cut back on my BP. (The diastolic has stayed at 80 the whole time.)

Question: what effect would there be from taking a diuretic? I could get a hold of a lasix or two. If my BP came down, I'd try upping the H50 dose to 2 per day again.

My strength is up a little, but what I really like is that my recovery is much better. I always had slow recovery even when I was 20. It seems worth it to me to continue with the H50, just for the improved recovery alone. My front shoulders seem to handle benching much better, too.

Any advice? Thanks.

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6'2" 205 and the same 33" waist size that I've been wearing for two decades
(except now I'm at 210# since this first ever cycle)

[Ryzer]

Greetings, gentlemen. I joined this forum just to get in on this thread. The question/problem I have relates to sudden high blood pressure since starting 2 1/2 weeks ago on Extreme H50, which is 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

phfsupplements.com//xtreme-h50.html "an H-Drol clone"

My BP before starting was 120/80. After the first three days in, 2 caps per day, there really was no change in anything. I also didn't feel anything. The bottle label suggests 2 per day, with going up to a max of 3 per day.

But around day 5 or 6, I was up by 5 pounds which naturally enough was mostly water. My systolic BP was now climbing. By day 11, it was up to 147. I'd also had a mild headache for several days. So I cut back to 1 cap (50mg) per day. Systolic BP dropped to about 135. Now, at 2 1/2 weeks and still on 1 cap per day, it's back up to 142. The funny thing is that with the heat wave I've lost a pound or two, so my water is down but that hasn't cut back on my BP. (The diastolic has stayed at 80 the whole time.)

Question: what effect would there be from taking a diuretic? I could get a hold of a lasix or two. If my BP came down, I'd try upping the H50 dose to 2 per day again.

My strength is up a little, but what I really like is that my recovery is much better. I always had slow recovery even when I was 20. It seems worth it to me to continue with the H50, just for the improved recovery alone. My front shoulders seem to handle benching much better, too.

Any advice? Thanks.

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6'2" 205 and the same 33" waist size that I've been wearing for two decades

That clone is 50mg's per cap. You started right off the bat at 100mg's. And the bottle suggests 2 caps per day with 3 max?? This is that Anabolic Technologies again. I dunno guys, but I think I'd stay away from their stuff. They sound kinda hokey. And I haven't seen Hdrol at 50mg's per cap, I've always seen it at 25mg's.

Jumping out of the gate at 100mg's, I would expect you to see a bp spike. Did you pre-load any support supps? Hawthorne Berry and Celery Seed work well, and drink a shit ton of water. As for a diuretic.....I'll let someone else speak on that.