This is a discussion on Over 40 prohormone use and discussion within the Prohormone Forum forums, part of the Supplements Discussion category; Ok my shit came in the mail today!! (awesome) As I was talking about earlier as running a PCT the ...
Ok my shit came in the mail today!! (awesome) As I was talking about earlier as running a PCT the PCT that came is called Post Cycle 3X all in one PCT. The on cycle support is called Protex which states it is for Liver support and detoxification Cycle therapy...(kinda vauge there I think) and Blood pressure support. Also the EPI 2A3A arrived and I can't wait to get on it. My over all plan here which is an ongoing process is this: 1. As of last Thursday night I began fish oil and Milk Thistle 2. I always take a multivitamin so no change there (will continue during on cycle and after as well). 3. During cycle: EPI 2A3A 10x2 days then 5 days at 20, the second week 30 mg. 3rd week & 4th week 40 mg. taking my cycle support with dose as I was told it didnt effect a person who did it this way. I will also use a mass gainer that adds about 720 calories to my diet to help push up caloric numbers. After the 4 weeks I will use PCT as follows: 4 weeks since I was on for that time i will be "off" for that time. This will be done by taking post cycle 3X along with Ahd50 test booster and possibly running some milk thislte again. During the On cycle I will be taking fish oils as I know this is a drying compound and I expect to ache I just dont care at this point about that. I know I can use Taurine if I get back bumps but I have not purhased that and won't unless I need it. As far as a serm goes I am weighing that over and just might lean towards doing it. I have to read more about this though...well veterans please add advice and tweak as needed but this is where I am with this. Also I absolutely will be keeping a full posted journal of the entire event. Thanks.....
A question about serm....... If it is in liquid how do you take it through the day once or twice? Do you mix it with water? Just curious because I am so damn new to this stuff. How necassary would a serm be for me where it is I am only running a four week cycle of EPI at max dose 40 MG?
Get an oral syringe and take the SERM once a day. Try to take it at the same time everyday. I always do it first thing in the morning because the horrible taste is a real eye opener lol. Take it with some orange juice to mask the flavor. And yes, it is necessary to use a SERM. Regardless of what you see on here, 40mg's is a relatively high dose and will shut you down. You should really try to run it 6 weeks instead of 4 and make the cycle worth it.
What abou the fact that a serm is supposed to be given with a prescription? I know that there are sites selling it for "scientific reasons" and I just wondering if anyone has ran into any trouble due the prescription fact?
One other thing I noticed when I checked out Purity's website is that they have 2 Serms. (Clomiphene & Tamoxifen) which one should I use? I don't have enough knowledge on this to know just yet.
According to broscience clomid will get you back to normal faster and nolva is for gyno prone individuals. They are both safely effective in most opinionsOriginally Posted by Annadad71
What's up BB? You know I haven't messed with Deca. I am not sure why. I do know of the joint benefts but since I am trying to cut BF at the moment I figured it would make me hold water.
55 and still fucking dangerous.
Flip a coin and pick one. They will both work. Some like one, some like the other.
You'll have to try 'em yourself to decide which is your FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!
No, you don't really need anything more than the SERM for PCT. Everything else is gravy.
I would go with Torem. I have tried all three and Torem is by far my favorite. Clomid makes me a little bitch and I did not care for Nolva.
Torem is like taking a shot of jack.. goes down warm !!
IMO you don't need anything besides a serm for mech/stano.
hey guys, I got off of the phone with strongsupplements today and was asking about postcycle 3x and serm. The guy I talked to said that since I was doing epi which has a strong androgen suppresion, a serm would not be needed over and above the postcycle 3x. He went on to state that he knows people who do epi to help rid the effects of gynomastria. At this point I guess it would be safe for me to say I will be running the postcycle 3x only. This PCT has androgen suppression and test boosters along with liver support, thus the 3x I figure. Also since in my state Massachusetts it is illegal to posses a serm without a prescription I would feel safe assuming that this would be arresgtable as a class E drug offense. I know it can be sold for lab purposes but I honestly believe that disclaimer is to protect the companies selling it rather than the consumer. Not to mention buying research chemicals through the mail would be a great way to end up on a terroroist watch group, ( a club I reallly don't want to join soon). Finally the the last reason for forgoing the serm is that I am a cop myself and even a small brush with the law could potentially end my career. With that said, ther is no way I believe in this room full of veterans that you guys can't offer me some other alternatives if they are needed. Thanks guys!
One of my best guys apparently tore his bicep at work today. Him and another guy were pushing a dolly loaded with equipment. It got stuck going through a doorway and he grabbed the cart and jerked it to straighten it out. Said he felt a pop and then something like a muscle spasm. One side of his bicep was sticking up liked it was flexed. It looked like horror story shit to me. Dude lifts so he is out of the game for a while. Will see what the doc says. Looks like he will be out on workman's comp for a while. Fuck.
what could be used to counter any shedding or to protect the ever receeding hairline. mecha/stano/formera stanzo
Hate to hear anyone taking a hit, especially when they are happiest when they are active. Hope he has a fast and full recovery.
That sucks bud. Hope your dude has a quick recovery!
I know you won't want to hear it because you already spent money on it but there is an alternative; Don't run a cycle. By this time next year the epi you bought will probably be illegal due to the new bill they are trying to pass. Why start cycling now just to never be able to do it again. Stay natty work out hard and eat like a horse.
You may be ok on your postcycle 3x but no one here in good conscious is going to tell you it is an alternative. While you are on the phone with the supplement company ask how many cycles of epi he has run personally. All the guys on this board, cumulatively probably have run thousands and thousands of cycles. No where on this board have I seen it said: use(alternative) it replaces serm.
No one is saying epi isn't suppressive while on it. Problem is when you go off of it. When your testicles start to produce test again and it aromatizes into estrogen at a faster pace post cycle.
If you want to take the advice of the guy on the phone, do it, if you want to take the advise of thousands of other people do it.
The choice is yours.
Right on. I was going to say the exact same thing.
Fourty Nine - I think you just laid down the law there, buddy. It might seem like overkill to do serms, Annadad71. But it is the only way to go.
Well let me ask this, has anyone ever had any trouble getting a serm through the mail? If you have please be up front about it because I need to know. Like really need to know......!
Not only that, if you were tested I believe you would fail on epi. Not 100 percent on that. I have done both natty recovery and with a serm. No way I would do it again natty. With a serm you have a shot at keeping a good bit of
Your gains. Without, good luck with that .
Believe me if there were problems, this board would have a thread on it
Alright my man here goes....I don't bullshit so hold on. You call a site that sells OTC supplements and they recommend an OTC PCT. Really! Why the fear of a SERM. You have no fear of taking steroids but a SERM freaks you out? BTW EPI is a steroid. I don't get the cop thing either. The most jacked up guys i know are cops. Ronnie Coleman is a cop. Derek Poundstone is a cop. You have been told the same thing 10 times by ten different guys. OTC supplements are worthless piles of shit. You are being ripped off. That's what you should be upset about. You are being overly dramatic. No one is going to come knocking on your door for a research chemical.
55 and still fucking dangerous.
I couldnt agree more kb. Research chem would get you on a terrorist watch list? The only thing you are blowing up with these type of research chems is your nut sack. I understand about your career. I can respect that but you are still taking a steroid that isn't banned but will probably be so in a few months. Order the research chem under your wife's name or dont take it because your gains will slip away as fast as you got them.
Personally, fuck epi. I go with phera, alpha one, sd and ment, tren phs. (not stacked,lol) I don't want to wait 5 fucking weeks to see gains and have my joints hurt like shit.
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