Over 40 prohormone use and discussion

[KozyCOCOANUTS]

hi, no disrespect, but as you are 29, you may want to opt out of this thread.

thats not very nice

[EL3964]

Been trying to get imput on otc pct for proto max.
PCT erase,triazole,test boosters,daa,fish oil,creatine,no2 and so on.
Proto max has low side effects, i'm told. Do a serm serm serm is all i hear. Proto max has low side effects, and to fix that take a serms that has it's own side effects. Can you see where i'm going with this. Lets put gas on the fire. Looking back at the 1960-1970-1980 i've read they didn't have such a thing as serm. They just did a 10-12week cycle and at the end of it were done. Looking back pics of body builders of the70's and 80's didn't see bitch tits on all of them.

[KozyCOCOANUTS]

Been trying to get imput on otc pct for proto max.
PCT erase,triazole,test boosters,daa,fish oil,creatine,no2 and so on.
Proto max has low side effects, i'm told. Do a serm serm serm is all i hear. Proto max has low side effects, and to fix that take a serms that has it's own side effects. Can you see where i'm going with this. Lets put gas on the fire. Looking back at the 1960-1970-1980 i've read they didn't have such a thing as serm. They just did a 10-12week cycle and at the end of it were done. Looking back pics of body builders of the70's and 80's didn't see bitch tits on all of them.

k well ask any bodybuilder from back then, they all now reccomend a serm. Serms don't only help with hpta recovery, but with maintaining what you have gained. Its stupid not to use one.

[EL3964]

Here is another otc pct that i just read.
PCT
1 TRANS RESVERATOROL .... ESTROGEN CONTROL
2 I3C ''indole-3-carbinol'' .... ESTROGEN CONTROL
3 ICARIIN ''horny goat weed'....'TEST BOOSTER
4 DIVANIL ''?'' ...... SHBG BINDER
5 6 OXO .......... ESTROGEN CONTROL/LH BOOSTER/TEST BOOSTER
6 ZMA ...... BOOST HGH SECRETION

Looks like info for ERASE by PES would do a lot of this. or i'm i just way off.
Any info would be a big help.

[KozyCOCOANUTS]

those may block estrogen and boost test production, but theres still a lot more too it. Not to mention a serm will cost HALF the price of just ONE of those products

[robertowns955]

agreed^ i don't see why people dont use a serm.

[EL3964]

What serm should i run with Proto max 50, 75, 100,100 and for how long?

[The Blade]

Add another old guy.

Damn, I feel a Flomax commercial coming on !

46 years old, 6'4'' was 221lbs, 12 % body fat. This is my first pro hormone experience. Started my Epistane cycle on 12/12/2011. Started 10 mg/day and up'd the dose as recommended by 10 mg/day until I reached 40 mg. Using "Organ Shield" with it. Just finishing my third week and have gained 8 lbs of lean rock hard muscle. Feel pumped all the time. Lots of questions out there regarding joint pain,. Bottom line is due to this being a "dry compound" versus a "wet compound" meaning less androgynous, and subsequently wont cause any water retention like wet compounds. The wet compounds have a tendency to trigger the androgenic hormone production and with it, water retention. (Sorry, I'm an RN and talk like one), Good news is, when it's all over you WILL be sore, you WILL get awesome gains, and you WONT have a pair of c-cup breasts to show off ! Easing into your workouts with a longer than normal warm up session and more lighter sets before going postal will help manage the pain somewhat. FYI, the whole glucosamine & chondroitin thing was demonstrated to be worthless by numerous studies and eventually the American Medical Association got on the bandwagon and they too debunked it. But hey, if you feel it works for you, then what the heck. One other addition you may want to try is HMB. This is very well documented to have extraordinary effects on athletes over 40. It blocks the uptake of cortisol, the nasty stress hormone that is toxic to all things great including skeletal muscle tissue, and as such speeds up recovery from hard workouts. Think of it as a more expensive form of ibuprofen that wont fry your kidneys ! Fish oil works well also, but you have to be on it for about a month before it reaches a therapeutic level in the blood stream. There are so many great benefits to fish oil that we should all be on it (old guys) all the time anyway. Besides being an essential fatty acid, it helps offset coronary artery disease, heart disease, as well as helps with stabilizing neurotransmitters and as such can work wonders for emotional lability (slip it in your wife's coffee !). O.k. now enough of the scientific crap and onto the good old subjective opinionated bs. Well, like I said, its near the end of the 3rd week and I feel awesome. My gains are very noticeable, I feel pumped all the time, like I just walked out of the gym pumped. It's so cool to have my muscles "jacked" all the time. I didn't really change my already intense training at all. I usually do just one body part per day, and run hills two times per week for cardio, and utilize periodization (light week, medium week, heavy week). My strength has gone up somewhat, but not massively. I don't have any nagging injuries or past surgeries etc. So other than the "joint drying", and "oh dear God what the hell's happening to my shoulders" feeling that one gets with a dry compound, there hasn't been any pain. As far as libido goes, I'm probably not the right person to ask, cause, well, quite frankly, I am, and always have been just as horny as I was when I discovered it was used for more than just peeing out of. So there you have it, I'm big, I'm pumped, I'm still horny, I'm not lethargic, I'm in just as much pain as you are (we're old, get used to it), and overall I'm extremely impressed with this pro hormone. For a post cycle, I'm going with 6 Bromo, along with a supplement I've used before that really amps up my testosterone, Sci-Fit's TZ3 Stack, its loaded with tribulus and really puts a huge edge on my workout intensity and overall aggression, so I know that it will help kick start me back into producing more natural test. When I got my Epistane, I purchased it with the "perfect cycle stack" so I will be using the Titanium product that came with the 6 Bromo,. but honestly, I have researched the ingredients in the Titanium, and don't see anything in there that bears any empirical scientific data demonstrating that it will produce an increase in testosterone or suppress androgens either. I don't see anything bad in the ingredients, but (again, this is the RN in me) there just isn't any supportive scientific data in the medical community to support the ingredients as being beneficial to athletes in any way. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't work, it may just not have been thoroughly researched yet. So, where were we, oh yes, the post cycle. 6 Bromo, Sci-Fit's TZ3 stack, and going to stay on the HMB and start back on my creatine. I'm having so much fun with this product, that I may add a 5th week to the cycle, that is, of course, as long as I don't start watching romantic comedies and looking at Victoria Secret catalogs for all the wrong reasons. (just kidding, really, you couldn't grow tits with this stuff if you tried).

Best !

The Blade.

[EL3964]

Well one more post and i might be able to PM, then i can get info this serm $$$ and where to find

[robertowns955]

What serm should i run with Proto max 50, 75, 100,100 and for how long?

up to you, it's all personal preference between nolva, clomid, and torem.

You can get them from the site sponsor, purity solutions.

[EL3964]

purity solutions i saw that site, but it said there stuff was not for people. and under different names. as you call tell i don't know shit about serm and such.

[destin]

purity solutions i saw that site, but it said there stuff was not for people. and under different names. as you call tell i don't know shit about serm and such.

They are fine.

Google the names of them and you will see what they really are.

[bernhardt rubble]

Cissus works well for me....
Took about 3 weeks to work but then I realized one day how much better I felt.
When I stop taking it the aches and pains come back within a few days though.
So now I don't stop taking it.

[dunder]

Nice thread, guys!
I'm 41, btw.

[Rayzor]

Unfortunately, yeah, should probably be watching the flow....lol

PCT is very important. Regaining natural T production is more difficult as we get older, especially since we are already not producing as much over 40. Depending on what you decide to take, pay attention to estrogen indicators. Younger guys can really screw up and although they may suffer some bad sides thay can recover. I have a few friends who were gear users in their youth and are now on T-therapy because they are barely able to produce any test on their own. Above all else....watch that blood pressure. Everthing else is an accummulation but high BP can sneek up and nail you on the spot.

[MortUK]

in for the old timer thread...

starting my second cycle tomorrow, dzine and furaza - can't wait, it's been five months since my first and i've been chomping at the bit to get it going

Happy New Year everyone...

[kbordner]

Well it looks like I am officially the oldest! I really like the fact that this thread caters to us because I believe we have different issues than the younger guys. as you can see I am running a pretty intense cycle but here is how I am dealing with the sides. The Cycle Assist seems to take care of the BP/Prostate issues and I added UDCA( or TUDCA) for the liver. I have had both rotator cuffs surgically re-attached and The Orange Triad with the Animal Omega has rendered me pretty much pain free. I am back with a 315X2 bench and just missed 335 yesterday on bench crew day. I seem very lucky in that I don't get bad sides and I have wondered if it was just me or do they get less as we get older. I have a little lethargy but take 600mg Stano as needed. Libido is good. D*ck works real well. Back pumps and trouble sleeping are the two worst issues. Taurine takes care of the back pumps. Sleeping is overrated. I use Torem for a serm and it works great. PM me if you want my source.

[Mike_RN]

Just turned 41 yesterday. Nice to see some old "newbies"....I'm sure I'm not the only old long term gear user.
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I've been cycling on and off since I was 29. Never had a bad lipid panel (after cycle ended) never had any liver enzyme issues. My prostate is fine despite 4.5yrs of year round 200mg Cyp. Prostate issues in old heads are more related to dis-use than PSA. I'm an ER nurse and I talk/socialize with doctors all the time. A highly respected and published Urologist I work with told me the best thing you can do to avoid prostate enlargement and/pr cancer is "keep on fucking" or "beating your meat". If a prostate is regularly stimulated, it doesn't mutate as often.

[destin]

Just turned 41 yesterday. Nice to see some old "newbies"....I'm sure I'm not the only old long term gear user.
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I've been cycling on and off since I was 29. Never had a bad lipid panel (after cycle ended) never had any liver enzyme issues. My prostate is fine despite 4.5yrs of year round 200mg Cyp. Prostate issues in old heads are more related to dis-use than PSA. I'm an ER nurse and I talk/socialize with doctors all the time. A highly respected and published Urologist I work with told me the best thing you can do to avoid prostate enlargement and/pr cancer is "keep on fucking" or "beating your meat". If a prostate is regularly stimulated, it doesn't mutate as often.

Holy shit no worries here then!

[Mike_RN]

My mom, girlfriends and later wife always thought I'd grow out of it
After about 30yrs of crankin it, I'm down to only 3-4days per week. Mom'd be proud.

[Handcannon7]

I know you guys are wayyyyy older than I am, but do you find that cissus is the only thing that helps with joint troubles? (excluding wet AAS) I have Animal Flex but it doesn't have any cissus in it and the other compounds I feel like are probably underdosed for what I need, I have pretty bad wrists, left one particularly to the point where I can't DB bench more than 90's because my left wrist cant support and stabilize the weight.

[bigbumpkin2003]

I know you guys are wayyyyy older than I am, but do you find that cissus is the only thing that helps with joint troubles? (excluding wet AAS) I have Animal Flex but it doesn't have any cissus in it and the other compounds I feel like are probably underdosed for what I need, I have pretty bad wrists, left one particularly to the point where I can't DB bench more than 90's because my left wrist cant support and stabilize the weight.

Use wrist wraps?? When ever I go heavy now I do --seems to help

[henryv]

[FITCO64]

fitco64 how long did you run ultra and at what dosage? Alone or stacked and what did you think?

i ran it with the bobadrol 3 ultras and 2 bolas a day..... Was very good for me!!! I broke many personal bests and it somehow helped my joints out!! Aided in recovery time as well.. Was impressed!! Ran for 30 days.... I like the little 30 day blitz cycle... Heavy and intense,eating well, really going all out for 30 days...

[FITCO64]

unfortunately, yeah, should probably be watching the flow....lol

pct is very important. Regaining natural t production is more difficult as we get older, especially since we are already not producing as much over 40. Depending on what you decide to take, pay attention to estrogen indicators. Younger guys can really screw up and although they may suffer some bad sides thay can recover. I have a few friends who were gear users in their youth and are now on t-therapy because they are barely able to produce any test on their own. Above all else....watch that blood pressure. Everthing else is an accummulation but high bp can sneek up and nail you on the spot.

great post!!!!