Over 40 prohormone use and discussion

[FITCO64]

Iam on 4th day of the trenavar essentials stack..... Feeling good and warm, joints feel loose...neck feels pumped and tight all the time..

[FITCO64]

As creator of this thread, i am very happy to see it taking off..... The blade has said great things as well as the rest of you!! Awesome!!! Let's keep it going. And learn from each other..... Seems we all have many common over 40 issues.....

[kbordner]

Iam on 4th day of the trenavar essentials stack..... Feeling good and warm, joints feel loose...neck feels pumped and tight all the time..

@ Fit do you think the Tren is helping with the joints? Sweet benefit.
@Mike RN thanks for the prostate news. Me like.

For my next cycle I am going to stack SD 20mg with Dbol 50mg.. Do you think I am insane? I love SD and I know Dbol is wet and hard to keep the gains. I am also considering a long ( 8week) Anavar run at 100mg/day. I just got married again and I am not ready to pin. I feel like if I run test I need to be honest about it. I know two orals are rough but I would run it with UDCA which seems to keep the lipids at bay. I don't drink or smoke or do anything else that's liver taxing. What do you guys think?

[kbordner]

Add another old guy.

Damn, I feel a Flomax commercial coming on !

46 years old, 6'4'' was 221lbs, 12 % body fat. This is my first pro hormone experience. Started my Epistane cycle on 12/12/2011. Started 10 mg/day and up'd the dose as recommended by 10 mg/day until I reached 40 mg. Using "Organ Shield" with it. Just finishing my third week and have gained 8 lbs of lean rock hard muscle. Feel pumped all the time. Lots of questions out there regarding joint pain,. Bottom line is due to this being a "dry compound" versus a "wet compound" meaning less androgynous, and subsequently wont cause any water retention like wet compounds. The wet compounds have a tendency to trigger the androgenic hormone production and with it, water retention. (Sorry, I'm an RN and talk like one), Good news is, when it's all over you WILL be sore, you WILL get awesome gains, and you WONT have a pair of c-cup breasts to show off ! Easing into your workouts with a longer than normal warm up session and more lighter sets before going postal will help manage the pain somewhat. FYI, the whole glucosamine & chondroitin thing was demonstrated to be worthless by numerous studies and eventually the American Medical Association got on the bandwagon and they too debunked it. But hey, if you feel it works for you, then what the heck. One other addition you may want to try is HMB. This is very well documented to have extraordinary effects on athletes over 40. It blocks the uptake of cortisol, the nasty stress hormone that is toxic to all things great including skeletal muscle tissue, and as such speeds up recovery from hard workouts. Think of it as a more expensive form of ibuprofen that wont fry your kidneys ! Fish oil works well also, but you have to be on it for about a month before it reaches a therapeutic level in the blood stream. There are so many great benefits to fish oil that we should all be on it (old guys) all the time anyway. Besides being an essential fatty acid, it helps offset coronary artery disease, heart disease, as well as helps with stabilizing neurotransmitters and as such can work wonders for emotional lability (slip it in your wife's coffee !). O.k. now enough of the scientific crap and onto the good old subjective opinionated bs. Well, like I said, its near the end of the 3rd week and I feel awesome. My gains are very noticeable, I feel pumped all the time, like I just walked out of the gym pumped. It's so cool to have my muscles "jacked" all the time. I didn't really change my already intense training at all. I usually do just one body part per day, and run hills two times per week for cardio, and utilize periodization (light week, medium week, heavy week). My strength has gone up somewhat, but not massively. I don't have any nagging injuries or past surgeries etc. So other than the "joint drying", and "oh dear God what the hell's happening to my shoulders" feeling that one gets with a dry compound, there hasn't been any pain. As far as libido goes, I'm probably not the right person to ask, cause, well, quite frankly, I am, and always have been just as horny as I was when I discovered it was used for more than just peeing out of. So there you have it, I'm big, I'm pumped, I'm still horny, I'm not lethargic, I'm in just as much pain as you are (we're old, get used to it), and overall I'm extremely impressed with this pro hormone. For a post cycle, I'm going with 6 Bromo, along with a supplement I've used before that really amps up my testosterone, Sci-Fit's TZ3 Stack, its loaded with tribulus and really puts a huge edge on my workout intensity and overall aggression, so I know that it will help kick start me back into producing more natural test. When I got my Epistane, I purchased it with the "perfect cycle stack" so I will be using the Titanium product that came with the 6 Bromo,. but honestly, I have researched the ingredients in the Titanium, and don't see anything in there that bears any empirical scientific data demonstrating that it will produce an increase in testosterone or suppress androgens either. I don't see anything bad in the ingredients, but (again, this is the RN in me) there just isn't any supportive scientific data in the medical community to support the ingredients as being beneficial to athletes in any way. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't work, it may just not have been thoroughly researched yet. So, where were we, oh yes, the post cycle. 6 Bromo, Sci-Fit's TZ3 stack, and going to stay on the HMB and start back on my creatine. I'm having so much fun with this product, that I may add a 5th week to the cycle, that is, of course, as long as I don't start watching romantic comedies and looking at Victoria Secret catalogs for all the wrong reasons. (just kidding, really, you couldn't grow tits with this stuff if you tried).

Best !

The Blade.

Welcome Aboard Blade. Looking forward to your input.

[FITCO64]

@ fit do you think the tren is helping with the joints? Sweet benefit.
@mike rn thanks for the prostate news. Me like.

For my next cycle i am going to stack sd 20mg with dbol 50mg.. Do you think i am insane? I love sd and i know dbol is wet and hard to keep the gains. I am also considering a long ( 8week) anavar run at 100mg/day. I just got married again and i am not ready to pin. I feel like if i run test i need to be honest about it. I know two orals are rough but i would run it with udca which seems to keep the lipids at bay. I don't drink or smoke or do anything else that's liver taxing. What do you guys think?

i have used tons of real gear in the past, i used to compete bodybuilding, got to nationals in 94!! Anyway,the sd dbol stack why not just dbol??? It will probaly overdominate the sd ....just my thoughts..i used to run short 30 day cycles of dbol at 80 mgs,!! Was great!! I am preaching the short 30 day cycles for our age group.... Intense , hard , short bursts. A lot of my same age friends find that it works well for them , too!

[Rayzor]

FITCO64 Congrats on nationals!!! Great accomplishment. I've been a powerlifter since the 80s but I did have a short BB run. I qualified for nationals in 91 but mostly due to lack of competition. I didn't have near what it took for the big stage so I went back to powerlifting which I was more suited for. 30 day quick cycles are a great idea for our age group. I will run a little longer only because my heavy lifting has become more "seasonal". I lift all year but only strive for the platform once or twice in the winter. I've been on 5 previous PH runs but never real gear. I also agree that this is a great thread. I very much look forward to reading of your experience with Trenavar.

[FITCO64]

FITCO64 Congrats on nationals!!! Great accomplishment. I've been a powerlifter since the 80s but I did have a short BB run. I qualified for nationals in 91 but mostly due to lack of competition. I didn't have near what it took for the big stage so I went back to powerlifting which I was more suited for. 30 day quick cycles are a great idea for our age group. I will run a little longer only because my heavy lifting has become more "seasonal". I lift all year but only strive for the platform once or twice in the winter. I've been on 5 previous PH runs but never real gear. I also agree that this is a great thread. I very much look forward to reading of your experience with Trenavar.

i was just the opposite,,,, small joints, naturally thin, great for bodybuilding!!! good luck in your competing!! i find prohormones to be quite effective.... even after all the real gear use years ago.... i am happy with the boost i get from them..... that's all im looking for at this point.... and legal and no pinning is a plus!!! i am up 2 pounds to 252 since beginning trenavar 4 days ago...... i enjoy the quick weight gains, but trying to maybe go up to 255 lbs and hold steady there... i dont have abs popping out, but like to have a flat stomach!

[CAKO1]

Great idea, great thread. My experience was that i used Anadrol around 19...switched to test, EQ and some others back when i was 21, 22 then stopped everything after developing a pretty bad case of man boobs. This killed my desire to take anything ago but after successful gyno surgery . i decided to see what was available to give me a boost and found 1AD. Loved that stuff but again was stifled on using that due to the ban. Using the web i stumbed onto this site...just prior to last ban i found that "tren"/epi was real ce. So here i am just turned 41 strongest ive ever been but having some of the same joint type issues here and there. I used plenty of stuff inc joint force but the best relief ive found was a cycle.

[CAKO1]

Oh and i am pro SERM but that's more to do with not wanting more boobs again

[bernhardt rubble]

For my next cycle I am going to stack SD 20mg with Dbol 50mg.. Do you think I am insane? I love SD and I know Dbol is wet and hard to keep the gains. I am also considering a long ( 8week) Anavar run at 100mg/day. I just got married again and I am not ready to pin. I feel like if I run test I need to be honest about it. I know two orals are rough but I would run it with UDCA which seems to keep the lipids at bay. I don't drink or smoke or do anything else that's liver taxing. What do you guys think?

I have done the Dbol and SD thing. I've also done them both separately.
SD at 10 Dbol at 50 is a great combo. SD treats me very well if I stay conservative.
Dbol bloats me after a week or so and the SD seems to keep that at a minimum.
If strength is the goal you will dig the combo I think. The other thing I have recently done is
to just take the Dbol on workout days only.
Never tried Anavar only because I knew a guy once who used to take it and his face would
just turn into this huge ugly pimple machine every time.

[Panther]

Awesome thread. I am 41 and am in week 4 of my first (light) PH cycle of AndroMass/AndroHard/Dermacrine (6+3+4 pumps).

My workouts are great and I feel fine - but I have yet to gain any weight. I am doing a log over at pp.com. I bet I am not allowed to link to another site, but if you go over there it is titled "Who needs TRT? 8 week AM/AH log". No sides yet....but also no real gains.

I wanted to start with something mild that was non-methylated. Next run I am thinking of either Hdrol/11-OXO, or AndroMass+AndroLean+ Trenevar.

Maybe this is an impossibility - bb.com has an "Over 35 Forum". Someday it would be awesome to have an "Over 40" sub-forum here. I know as a 40+ newb I have a TON of questions/concerns....stuff the invincible 20-something crowd don't worry about.

I will be here frequently!

[EL3964]

Well just tuned back in from last night. I've read down through the posts and seeing others views is awesome. I'm going to be starting my proto-max cycle here shortly. Don't know if I should do 4 or 5 weeks and truthfully don't know how much to do daily from week 1 to week 4 and maybe a 5th week. The serm thing had me a little shook, but it looks like for best results a serm is the way to go. Other opinions on how my PCT would be set up week by week with a serm and to add in the erase,triazole, triulus, fenugreek, no2, creating. I already have all these supplements on hand and have read that adding these to a serm PCT can really work well together. I know you may be saying WTF it doesn't have to be this complicated. After researching I see there are a lot of all-in-one supplement products, but like I said I have this stuff on hand. Don't laugh I also have saw Palmetto, red yeast rice and Hawthorne berries supplements. You should see my fucking countertop. Trust me I would like to go with the all-in-one supplements. Just want to use the rest of the stuff up. And yes if anyone could help with a week by week PCT with serm and the rest of this shit it would be greatly appreciated.
And the post for us old fart about prostate problems. I'll have to talk to my girlfriend or take the hands-on approach lol.

[FITCO64]

great posts , guys!!!!! i am also feeling just as strong as when i was younger!!!!! if only my joints would hold up better.... i like seeing the young guys faces when i grab the 130 dumbells for flat chest presses at 6 reps!!! @ panther...what do think of those andro mass/hard products?? @EL.. ALL YOUR EXTRA SUPPS LOOK GOOD!!

[bigbumpkin2003]

great posts , guys!!!!! i am also feeling just as strong as when i was younger!!!!! if only my joints would hold up better.... i like seeing the young guys faces when i grab the 130 dumbells for flat chest presses at 6 reps!!! @ panther...what do think of those andro mass/hard products?? @EL.. ALL YOUR EXTRA SUPPS LOOK GOOD!!

I don't know man they seem damn expensive for what you're getting

[Panther]

panther...what do think of those andro mass/hard products?? @EL.. ALL YOUR EXTRA SUPPS LOOK GOOD!!

Definitely check out my log on pp.com - but summary: I feel great. My workouts are better than ever. I have gained strength and they have definitely helped me increase my intensity. The only downside is the kicker though....three weeks and I have gained maybe 3 pounds. If I up my cals I gain fat (noticeable)....so I have been trying to stay about 300 over maint (6'3'' 192lbs).

Hopefully the gains will come - but even now the workout improvements and overall positive feel have made them worth it.

[kbordner]

[QUOTE=Panther;879068]Definitely check out my log on pp.com - but summary: I feel great. My workouts are better than ever. I have gained strength and they have definitely helped me increase my intensity. The only downside is the kicker though....three weeks and I have gained maybe 3 pounds. If I up my cals I gain fat (noticeable)....so I have been trying to stay about 300 over maint (6'3'' 192lbs).

Hopefully the gains will come - but even now the workout improvements and overall positive feel have made them worth it.
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My last cycle was AndroMass/AndroHard/Trenazone. I didn't really feel The AM kick in until week 4 so you should be good to go. It is expensive but I feel it's a top quality product. These were the V2 BTW.

@BR great to see someone else in their 50's Thanks for the advice on the SD/Dbol. I was going to keep it 4 weeks. My goal right now is to be back to benching mid 300's like I could before the shoulder surgeries. I hit 355 in a WNPF meet here in NJ in 2005. I just missed 335 yesterday. So I am close.

To you all, I love this thread.

[mocherry]

HI guys. I'm 59 yrs. old or young as the case may be. I have'nt done many ph cycles. One protomax , one epi, one mmv3 and formadrol. Thinking about doing a sd in Feb. in preparation for a power meet in March. Not much trouble with my joints but still have that spare tire at a 14 percent bf level. I would be glad to hear from anyone whose done a sd cycle and how their stenght gains were. Thanks for your help.

[FITCO64]

Great bench number, kbordner!!!! At 54.. Wow!!!!! Isn't it great to still be strong??!!! I am sooo glad i started this thread!!!..... Am getting more motivated with each post!!

[FITCO64]

hi guys. I'm 59 yrs. Old or young as the case may be. I have'nt done many ph cycles. One protomax , one epi, one mmv3 and formadrol. Thinking about doing a sd in feb. In preparation for a power meet in march. Not much trouble with my joints but still have that spare tire at a 14 percent bf level. I would be glad to hear from anyone whose done a sd cycle and how their stenght gains were. Thanks for your help.

you will be most pleased with sd!!!! I ran it several times over the last few yrs..... Usually 4 week cycles at 30 , building up to 50 mgs a day. Great for strength..... Some water retention....

[specail-k]

holy shit 50mgs?!?! i wud say start at 15 or 20 and you will be pleased.

i gained 20lbs in 20 days at 20mg.

[mocherry]

Thanks for the input. I'll get my pct together first with some nolvadex and daa, hope that will be enough. Then run sd solo 20mgs then upping it to 30mgs depending on the sides. Also I'll lift alittle heavyer hoping to go over 300 on my raw bench and just concentrate on 1 bodypart a day. OK, well thanks again for your help.

[sreuscher]

I'm in. I just started pct after 1st epi cycle.

[kbordner]

Thanks for the input. I'll get my pct together first with some nolvadex and daa, hope that will be enough. Then run sd solo 20mgs then upping it to 30mgs depending on the sides. Also I'll lift alittle heavyer hoping to go over 300 on my raw bench and just concentrate on 1 bodypart a day. OK, well thanks again for your help.

Alright I am now the second oldest guy! Nothing beats SD in my opinion for pure strength. Start ot low 10/20mg you don't need a lot. Good luck on the 300 bench!

[kbordner]

Great bench number, kbordner!!!! At 54.. Wow!!!!! Isn't it great to still be strong??!!! I am sooo glad i started this thread!!!..... Am getting more motivated with each post!!

Thank you... it is the best feeling in the world. I tain with a 7 member Sunday morning bench crew. From 18 years old to 61. On page 60 of the Dec PL USA is my traing partner Frank Myers. He even threw my name in there for a thanks!

[whatthafa]

Well just tuned back in from last night. I've read down through the posts and seeing others views is awesome. I'm going to be starting my proto-max cycle here shortly. Don't know if I should do 4 or 5 weeks and truthfully don't know how much to do daily from week 1 to week 4 and maybe a 5th week. The serm thing had me a little shook, but it looks like for best results a serm is the way to go. Other opinions on how my PCT would be set up week by week with a serm and to add in the erase,triazole, triulus, fenugreek, no2, creating. I already have all these supplements on hand and have read that adding these to a serm PCT can really work well together. I know you may be saying WTF it doesn't have to be this complicated. After researching I see there are a lot of all-in-one supplement products, but like I said I have this stuff on hand. Don't laugh I also have saw Palmetto, red yeast rice and Hawthorne berries supplements. You should see my fucking countertop. Trust me I would like to go with the all-in-one supplements. Just want to use the rest of the stuff up. And yes if anyone could help with a week by week PCT with serm and the rest of this shit it would be greatly appreciated.
And the post for us old fart about prostate problems. I'll have to talk to my girlfriend or take the hands-on approach lol.

Protomax is very very mild. I think that you will be happier with your results if you were to run it at 100mg/day for six weeks. I know that this would require you to buy another bottle. I ran it at 50/50/50/50 when it was released by iForce as protodrol and was really disappointed.