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Reply With QuoteIf the shit hits the fan you'll need to see a doc, not run more supps. Just run what you have. IMO if your liver is going to pack in under the stress of oral steroids it will do so regardless of what supports you take beside them.
This is a discussion on Liver protection on cycle - your thoughts on what is best?! within the Prohormone Forum forums, part of the Supplements Discussion category; So, apparently Liver Stronger and the TUDCA it has in it has clinical significance in being effective in detoxification of ...
So, apparently Liver Stronger and the TUDCA it has in it has clinical significance in being effective in detoxification of liver, however it has also been implicated in effecting cholesterol and lipids negatively.
meanwhile, all I have heard is relatively good reviews of Liv.52, and I have already purchased cycle support like a sucker…
So, Liv.52+cycle support (just coz I have the latter), would appear to make a good liver protections stack? Should one have TUDCA on standby in case shit hit the fan so to speak? opinions wanted!
P.s. I am planning on a 5-6 week Epistane cycle in my case at 30mg first week, 40mg next 5, of course unless i start getting bad sides!
If the shit hits the fan you'll need to see a doc, not run more supps. Just run what you have. IMO if your liver is going to pack in under the stress of oral steroids it will do so regardless of what supports you take beside them.
OK, fair enough, however I think your wrong about the liver going to pack in regardless of what you take on oral steroids. Not taking liver protection that may work such as liv.52 and Liver longer which may lower liver enzyme levels and prevent further damage (coz lets face it, methylated orals do cause liver damage regardless), will only make things worse. at least with good liver supps you may lessen the damage.
I absolutely agree.Originally Posted by zebedee
Having said that, Liv52 has most definitely helped to keep my liver enzymes within a reasonable range even when under the pressure of highly unreasonable oral cycles.
I'm not saying they're useless but they won't prevent a liver from failing that's going to fail anyway. Take them for what they are. Support supps, not life savers.
Definitely very true.
I understood your first post clearly and I couldn't agree more.
I think that you may have misunderstood his point.
maybe. Liv.52 and cycle assist it is then.
The real liv52 from india, not that american version, I would agree.
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I thought Liver Care (US version of Liv52) was "stronger" than regular Liv52.
I had reasonable ranges after p-mag, epi, hdrol cycles - for all of which I used Liver Care.
I did have problems on hdrol cycle while using vitiamin shoppe liver assist or whaterver its name was.
The formula is different, the blends, etc, and all the "proven" studies were on the stuff made in india, so I figure they know how to make it right, who knows what kind of messed up concoction you are getting if you buy the us version which only came out to make money, since there was such a demand for the original.
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I'm from the UK, but I presume this is the original you were talking about? If so, I think i'll buy some of this double strength version for the cycle to be as safe as I can be other than either lowering the dose or not taking it at all!
Liv 52 DS
I just got like 10 bottles of liv 52, not Ds or livercare, just Liv.52. The metal pretective thing under the cap says
"This product conforms to the specifications of the health authorities in India and Nepal. Since most countries have their own specifications, the sale of this product is therefor restricted to India and Nepal. The Himalaya Drugs Company will not be liable if this product is sold or tested in countries other than India or Nepal. The safety and efficacy of this product is clinically proven and remains uncompromised"
I have bought several bottles from this company, all looking the same but this batch is the first one that ive seen with that message
Liv52 is junk.
Antaeus aegis is the best liver protection out right now
Agreed. I beta tested AEGIS with high doses of Ultradrol,24 mgs day. I felt great and have tried all the other liver formulas out there. YOU CAN'T BEAT TUDCA AND AEGIS HAS THAT PLUS ANOTHER POWERFUL INGREDIENT. It is specifically designed for oral phs and oral aas. Not a salesman, but from what I felt, it is hands down the best.
Will look into it, would not go as far as saying liv.52 is junk though!!
EDIT: looked it up, it's got TDA in it bro, which has been shown to damage lipid profiles quite badly, anyone else seen the same thing from studies? I'm sure for a few weeks of PCT it would be OK though.
liv 52 was the best, was.
Says who? i do agree Antaeus aegis is probably one of the best liver protecters, but it doesnt mean liv.52 is junk, liv.52 kept my liver values well withing normal range while on 8-10 weeks of harsh orals like M1T/bola/SD. what more do you need if everything is in range?
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liv52 is just a blend of mild antioxidants. Thats all it is. Junk compared to aegis.
Also that doesn't mean liv52 was working, you could just have a very strong liver.
Which liv.52 are you using?
Could be, i suppose, but i still don't think that should be instantly discredited.
the american version.
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Im currently taking tudca and kidney/bladder blend since I've drank 4 times on my cycle and still feeling great.
Anybody know if Sam-E actually benefits the liver?
LOL, at 45 bucks a month, I'll save some money and keep my junk liv52, and a handful of other ancillaries, and Im pretty confident my liver values will return to normal as they have in the past.
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lol.... Whatever works for you mate..
I just know that if I run something like sdrol without tudca I start to feel poisoned.
$45 is definitely worth it, unless youre broke or cheap lol. But hey, more tudca for the rest of us!
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