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    Snagency Primordially shifts to V2.0, 16-week bodybuilding prep with Andro Series



    Hello all. Snagency here, making a comeback in the sport of bodybuilding competition.. (again).
    But - with some new toys to play with.
    I'll be competing in the Midwest Open in Indiana on July 14. During this 16-week prep, I'll be putting the Pp Andro Series products to the test throughout.

    Today marks the beginning of my 16 week cycle:

    • 16 weeks – 8 weeks: Andro Mass (6 softgels per day)
    • 8 weeks – showtime: AndroLean (6 softgels daily) + AndroHard (6 softgels daily)
    • The only other thing I plan to add would be Mechabol at 6 weeks out.

    A little history..
    I have been a lifetime natural athlete to this point in my life. Now that I'm 40, and have noticed some slight changes in my hormonal profile over the last year.. I figure it's time to explore a different path. In making this decision, I felt Primordial Performance products to be the optimal solution: effective, no-nonsense, and (extremely important to me) - safe with zero to minimal sides/HPTA suppression. These products will be put to the test, I assure you!

    My approach to competition is a little bit different than the norm.. since I stay fairly lean year-round (most of the time anyway), I don't have a great deal of fat to lose. My current body comp is off from the usual, as I've taken time off/been in light maintenance phase since December to heal couple nagging injuries. My legs/knees can be temperamental (I am very active, and will be playing tennis thru the first half of my prep as well), and I developed some shoulder tenderness towards the end of last year as well (prolly from my serve, since I played more tennis last year than ever before).

    So, it's "catch-up" time here in the early going. I'll be running @4000cals on training days, @3500 on non-training days (non-activity days will be scarce). This will be adjusted as I go of course.. I have scheduled gaining and hardening phases built in throughout the cycle. The end goal I have in mind is to be show-ready prepared @2-4 weeks out, and then diet back UP again going into the show. Rough macros early on will be 400g P/200g C/125g F (all clean, no cheats at any time).

    My training:
    Day 1: Chest/Shoulders/Abs (reps)
    Day 2: Legs (reps)
    Day 3: Back/Arms (power)
    Day 4: OFF (cardio/tennis)
    Day 5: Chest/Shoulders/Abs (power)
    Day 6: Legs (power)
    Day 7: Arms/Back/Abs (reps)
    Day 8: OFF
    Repeat

    Pics will be added, not able to right this minute. I intend to update once weekly, with pictorial views as well as discussion.

    And so...

    V2.0 begins!
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    I'd like to add a very special thank you to Matt Porter and Eric P. at Primordial, for giving me the opportunity to put these products to work.
    Matt's generosity not only with product, but also with his time and expertise, has been beyond impressive.
    Classy company.

    Here's a pic from this morning. I no longer have my personal photographer (aka the wife) around to take pics, so had to snap this one myself. Will have better ones going forward.

    We got some work to do.
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    Will wrap up my entries for this w/e with another pic..
    2 hardcore and intense training sessions in (one of them a chest/shoulder session) and one lawnmowing session on the chest later, and I can start to see the muscle tissue jump back to life already.
    I knew it wouldn't take long, but................whoa.

    Catch ya'll next weekend.
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    Thanks for getting these logs up snagency

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    Thanks for the support guys.
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    This is gonna be fun.
    Ready to see it unfold my man. Always nice to see these products being put to the absolute limit.

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    And a small update..

    To this point, I have been shocked by the rapid bodyfat loss I have experienced in the first 5 days. I took steps to eliminate some water weight last week leading up to the start of my cycle on SAT, and started that day weighing in @197.5lbs. This morning, I weighed in @192.7lbs. Diet has been steady @4k cals, and have trained every day.
    I had also started a fat-burner and TT-33 by iForce last week, figuring I'd prime the metabolism for the increased caloric load..I made the decision to drop those items yesterday. I simply do not believe I need them at this time. Rapid hardening and bf loss @ this caloric load is, even for me, a bit unsettling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    And a small update..

    To this point, I have been shocked by the rapid bodyfat loss I have experienced in the first 5 days. I took steps to eliminate some water weight last week leading up to the start of my cycle on SAT, and started that day weighing in @197.5lbs. This morning, I weighed in @192.7lbs. Diet has been steady @4k cals, and have trained every day.
    I had also started a fat-burner and TT-33 by iForce last week, figuring I'd prime the metabolism for the increased caloric load..I made the decision to drop those items yesterday. I simply do not believe I need them at this time. Rapid hardening and bf loss @ this caloric load is, even for me, a bit unsettling.
    Ive been on TT-33 from Iforce for the past 3 weeks and going into my final 4th week before I take a break. I must say for an OTC thyroid product I was highly suprised at how well it actually worked. Im dosing it a 2/1/1. But, after this week its another 2 week cycle of clen and than my cut will be over and just looking to maintain during summer. Ill be following your prep, you look like you have a very good build, strong, and thick!
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    I haven't look too much into TT-33. I tend to avoid messing with the thyroid, but I'll look into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlefry View Post
    Ive been on TT-33 from Iforce for the past 3 weeks and going into my final 4th week before I take a break. I must say for an OTC thyroid product I was highly suprised at how well it actually worked. Im dosing it a 2/1/1. But, after this week its another 2 week cycle of clen and than my cut will be over and just looking to maintain during summer. Ill be following your prep, you look like you have a very good build, strong, and thick!
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    I haven't look too much into TT-33. I tend to avoid messing with the thyroid, but I'll look into it.
    Littlefry explains this well. TT-33 is a solid product. I was dosing 1-1-1, which is all I have ever dosed this product the 3 times I've used it. Personally, I feel it's more appropriate for us older guys, and it would not be something I would advise using carelessly.
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    Littlefry explains this well. TT-33 is a solid product. I was dosing 1-1-1, which is all I have ever dosed this product the 3 times I've used it. Personally, I feel it's more appropriate for us older guys, and it would not be something I would advise using carelessly.
    Ive read about guys going as high as 9 pills of TT-33 a day dosing it at 3-3-3. A little excessive, but they said it was working like T3 at those levels without some of the sides. If your looking for a good thyroid product I highly suggest tt-33 dosed either 2-1-1 or 1-1-1-1 to keep levels stable throughout the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlefry View Post
    Ive read about guys going as high as 9 pills of TT-33 a day dosing it at 3-3-3. A little excessive, but they said it was working like T3 at those levels without some of the sides. If your looking for a good thyroid product I highly suggest tt-33 dosed either 2-1-1 or 1-1-1-1 to keep levels stable throughout the day.

    WOW

    I like your dosing recs, over that.
    Guess I'm sensitive to some particular compounds. I could never imagine that dosing.
    Even at 3 daily, I feel a lil odd for awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlefry View Post
    Ive read about guys going as high as 9 pills of TT-33 a day dosing it at 3-3-3. A little excessive, but they said it was working like T3 at those levels without some of the sides. If your looking for a good thyroid product I highly suggest tt-33 dosed either 2-1-1 or 1-1-1-1 to keep levels stable throughout the day.
    And what kind of worries are there when quitting the product? Any detrimental effects to the thyroid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post

    WOW

    I like your dosing recs, over that.
    Guess I'm sensitive to some particular compounds. I could never imagine that dosing.
    Even at 3 daily, I feel a lil odd for awhile.
    Yea, if I were going to dose tt-33 at 9 caps a day, I would just opt to go pick up some T3. Cheaper in the long run.
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    Is this the same active in PES shift?

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    Another PP product log for a contest, very interested in your results. I will be following along the whole ride. Good luck to you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Is this the same active in PES shift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Is this the same active in PES shift?

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    Shift is 3,3 TT-33 is 3,3 and 3,5 from my understanding 3,5 has more sides...no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Shift is 3,3 TT-33 is 3,3 and 3,5 from my understanding 3,5 has more sides...no?
    That is correct that tt-33 is 3,3 and 3,5 however I have experienced no noticable sides from it. Ive never trioed shift but, tt-33 does its job, and I cannot complain. Stacked with any fat-burner out there and you should see some dramatic results.
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    Good luck on the comp prep. Looks like you have a lot of experience and knowledge in bodybuilding to share. I'm sure you probably have a bit of variety in your workouts but what are a couple examples of your workouts (exercises, sets, reps, etc.)? Thanks.

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    I'd still rather see a contest prep done by someone who wasn't sponsored by PP. Because this will just turn into a typical PP thread with the PP reps jerking off in a circle about how good thier product is
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