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    Its a weaker clone of PP's andromass. any body think their raws are any good? can someone log it and get testosterone tests done.

    They have a shill that posts as if he is a logger on every damn forum on the internet. I would love to know if this stuff is legit or if they are pumping out any free bottles.. i would take it and get blood tests done if they are...

    What do you guys think? fly by night? or legit?

    as far as im concerned 4dhea is a crap product.. i think it has a lot of potential and will be the future of prohormones once companies get it right with the dosages and the price.

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    More important question is to ask, why is there a baboon on the packaging?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bashman View Post
    More important question is to ask, why is there a baboon on the packaging?
    i loled irl

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    Bullshit product and the idea was stolen from us --- we know whom is behind this and it is laughable. The kid pimping this stuff basically has the same before and afters as his "AndroMass review" --- He justifies using the same pictures by saying "well, since the ingredients are similar, my results will be similar, so I am ok stating this."

    Ya kiddin' me? I believe the DHEA is actually lower and I really have no clue what exactly is in there. Very retarded EVERYTHING about this "company" and people with 1/8th of a brain will see this.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Bullshit product and the idea was stolen from us --- we know whom is behind this and it is laughable. The kid pimping this stuff basically has the same before and afters as his "AndroMass review" --- He justifies using the same pictures by saying "well, since the ingredients are similar, my results will be similar, so I am ok stating this."

    Ya kiddin' me? I believe the DHEA is actually lower and I really have no clue what exactly is in there. Very retarded EVERYTHING about this "company" and people with 1/8th of a brain will see this.....

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    i think you are right, but if someone gets the blood tests and it turns out to be as good as AMv3 do you think primordial will consider lowering the price point?

    in b4 Matt Porter is just trying to pimp his own products... LOL... I always find it funny when new members post stuff like that about you.
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    If the company hired this moron kid to log and advertise their product, then they are a shit company. Ive already talked about this kid in his cycle log thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezjax View Post
    i think you are right, but if someone gets the blood tests and it turns out to be as good as AMv3 do you think primordial will consider lowering the price point?

    in b4 Matt Porter is just trying to pimp his own products... LOL... I always find it funny when new members post stuff like that about you.
    I believe their is less DHEA in the product --- but noone really knows WHAT is truly in it? Eric has already decided to lower Andro in the very near future.

    I don't really mind anyone posting stuff like that ---people who knows me recognize I generally give out solid information and do not always speak about Andro etc...

    Of course I believe in the product but you can bet your ass when I see an issue or do not agree with product ideas that are being talked about for future sale --- I express my opinion.

    I have said several times I disliked OLD androlean and never expected much from it --- I have said I personally do not like OLD androhard v2 since it made me feel like a depressed EMO kid.

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    Ok, lesson one oh' one on this bullshit product.



    This is the label comparison that was posted on the comparison website.

    Immediately you will notice:

    Amount of serving difference:

    Bulk-Up: 42
    AndroMass: 56

    Ok, so less caps, so the fuck what, the product probably contains more actives, right? Wrong.

    Esterfied 4-DHEA:
    Bulk-Up: 194mg
    AndroMass: 225mg

    Esterfied b isomer AndroHard:
    Bulk-Up: 194mg
    AndroMass: 225mg

    Esterfied a isomer AndroHard:
    Bulk-Up: 68mg
    AndroMass: 75mg

    Alright, but maybe they use a stronger version of the absorption complex? Not so fast.....

    Although the label appears to show more of the carrier mg to mg wise, one must look at what that includes.

    The 2734mg of carrier in AndroMass contains only the ingredients utilized to increase bioavailability of these products.

    The 2844mg of carrier in Bulk-Up contains a carrier, and then what appears to be a damn multi vitamin.

    A Multivitamin?

    Yes, A multivitamin.

    Why?

    It isn't because they are tossing you a bonus, it is a marketing tactic. They advertise the product as not requiring a PCT because the product contains a PCT, along with aminos and vitamins.

    No PCT? PCT on cycle? WTF H2S?

    Don't ask me. It is very obvious the person who designed this formula has no idea how hormonal cycles work.

    Ok, So i get it. Shady marketing. But really, isn't the extra aminos/vitamins/whatever just a "nice bonus"?

    Not quite. You see, they included all of this unnecessary product into the total mg of their carrier. Which can mean a couple different things. 1.) They GREATLY reduced the amount of ingredients in the carrier (which, considering the product has less actives, sacrificing the absorption complex is not wise). or 2.) (...and this is the more likely situation) the kitchen sink formula they added on is all added in such insignificant proportions that they are pointless.

    What do you mean?

    Lets take a look at the inclusion of Aspartic Acid. Assuming the idea here is to include a typical daily dose of DAA (Like TCF-1) into the product. The only issue with that is a dose of DAA is 3.12g. Yet, it is included in a 2844mg (or 2.84g) prop blend.

    But H2S, Don't you take those 3 caps twice a day?

    Sure, so let's say they thought that through, and there is actually 1.56g of DAA per 3 caps (which is still unlikely). That would mean that nearly 55% of their "carrier" prop blend is DAA. So either you are getting a full dose of DAA (and a highly compromised absorption complex) or you are getting a pointless dose of DAA.

    Keep in mind as well, that this is just the Aspartic Acid we are talking about, there are plenty of other ingredients in there that would need to be dosed well to be worthwhile, such as the aminos. An example being Leucine, which is typically utilized at dosages of about 5g+. Yet, somehow it is effectively packed into this 2.8g absorption complex.

    What is the take away point?

    This product is a petty money grab. It attempted to knock off a successful product, but did so quite un-successfully. There is a reason the AndroSeries is expensive, because it costs alot of money to produce. When an immitation product comes out, seemingly much cheaper, I encourage you to look at the labels. See what you are spending your money on.


    EDIT:

    ALSO, WHY THE FUCK IS THERE A MONKEY ON THE BOX
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretostudy View Post
    Ok, lesson one oh' one on this bullshit product.



    This is the label comparison that was posted on the comparison website.

    Immediately you will notice:

    Amount of serving difference:

    Bulk-Up: 42
    AndroMass: 56

    Ok, so less caps, so the fuck what, the product probably contains more actives, right? Wrong.

    Esterfied 4-DHEA:
    Bulk-Up: 194mg
    AndroMass: 225mg

    Esterfied b isomer AndroHard:
    Bulk-Up: 194mg
    AndroMass: 225mg

    Esterfied a isomer AndroHard:
    Bulk-Up: 68mg
    AndroMass: 75mg

    Alright, but maybe they use a stronger version of the absorption complex? Not so fast.....

    Although the label appears to show more of the carrier mg to mg wise, one must look at what that includes.

    The 2734mg of carrier in AndroMass contains only the ingredients utilized to increase bioavailability of these products.

    The 2844mg of carrier in Bulk-Up contains a carrier, and then what appears to be a damn multi vitamin.

    A Multivitamin?

    Yes, A multivitamin.

    Why?

    It isn't because they are tossing you a bonus, it is a marketing tactic. They advertise the product as not requiring a PCT because the product contains a PCT, along with aminos and vitamins.

    No PCT? PCT on cycle? WTF H2S?

    Don't ask me. It is very obvious the person who designed this formula has no idea how hormonal cycles work.

    Ok, So i get it. Shady marketing. But really, isn't the extra aminos/vitamins/whatever just a "nice bonus"?

    Not quite. You see, they included all of this unnecessary product into the total mg of their carrier. Which can mean a couple different things. 1.) They GREATLY reduced the amount of ingredients in the carrier (which, considering the product has less actives, sacrificing the absorption complex is not wise). or 2.) (...and this is the more likely situation) the kitchen sink formula they added on is all added in such insignificant proportions that they are pointless.

    What do you mean?

    Lets take a look at the inclusion of Aspartic Acid. Assuming the idea here is to include a typical daily dose of DAA (Like TCF-1) into the product. The only issue with that is a dose of DAA is 3.12g. Yet, it is included in a 2844mg (or 2.84g) prop blend.

    But H2S, Don't you take those 3 caps twice a day?

    Sure, so let's say they thought that through, and there is actually 1.56g of DAA per 3 caps (which is still unlikely). That would mean that nearly 55% of their "carrier" prop blend is DAA. So either you are getting a full dose of DAA (and a highly compromised absorption complex) or you are getting a pointless dose of DAA.

    Keep in mind as well, that this is just the Aspartic Acid we are talking about, there are plenty of other ingredients in there that would need to be dosed well to be worthwhile, such as the aminos. An example being Leucine, which is typically utilized at dosages of about 5g+. Yet, somehow it is effectively packed into this 2.8g absorption complex.

    What is the take away point?

    This product is a petty money grab. It attempted to knock off a successful product, but did so quite un-successfully. There is a reason the AndroSeries is expensive, because it costs alot of money to produce. When an immitation product comes out, seemingly much cheaper, I encourage you to look at the labels. See what you are spending your money on.


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    ALSO, WHY THE FUCK IS THERE A MONKEY ON THE BOX
    I liked this post. For some reason when you posted the questions " no pct etc" a obnoxious game show hosts voice appeared in my head and made it all the better. Good post H2S

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    i liked it too, but the truth is that it costs $60 less than Andromass if im not mistaken.. so if the actives are less but you get more servings per dollar and it works then whats the difference.. H2S i like you, you are honest and make good posts like matt porter...

    But yo lets be real here.. your post is assuming that the carrier in your product makes some sort of difference which i believe is unfounded.. its cool and all, but we have no proof of the better absorption and we have no proof that 1200mg of androhard does not equal 1200mg of stanodrol...

    so though the multi vitamin is bullshit and there is a fucking ape on the box... that still doesnt not say whether or not their raws are legit or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezjax View Post
    i liked it too, but the truth is that it costs $60 less than Andromass if im not mistaken.. so if the actives are less but you get more servings per dollar and it works then whats the difference.. H2S i like you, you are honest and make good posts like matt porter...

    But yo lets be real here.. your post is assuming that the carrier in your product makes some sort of difference which i believe is unfounded.. its cool and all, but we have no proof of the better absorption and we have no proof that 1200mg of androhard does not equal 1200mg of stanodrol...

    so though the multi vitamin is bullshit and there is a fucking ape on the box... that still doesnt not say whether or not their raws are legit or not.
    So lets even assume the raws are legit, and are exactly on par with the quality of our raws (although I will point out that we have much stricter regulation on active purity than most companies, if you remember it was the entire reason the original androseries was delayed).

    BulkUp has:

    456mg actives per serving
    19.152g per bottle
    $139.50 cost

    139.50/19.152 = $7.28/g of active

    AndroMass has:

    525mg actives per serving
    29.4g per bottle
    $199.99 cost

    199.99/29.4 = $6.80/g of active

    So even assuming the carrier means nothing, you are still paying more per g of active with the Bulk Up.

    But if the price is the biggest factor, than send me a PM, and I will give you a coupon for 25% off. Bringing PP's product to 5.10 per g.

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    dude i got my androhard v3 cheaper than any stano or stano clone in the classifieds from an old rep. that isnt the point. the point is that the question is will there be a well priced well dosed 4dhea product. it cant be that 4dhea stays this price forever.. people are looking for alternatives..

    you can get the old AMD 4AD RD for DIRT CHEAP.. I mean ridiculously cheap... there has to be a reason why.. more companies are going to create these products... what are you gonna say when forerunner brings out their alphabulk which will be the same as andromass???

    what are your expectations on that competitors product? eventually someone is gonna get it right... you know? its only a matter of time...

    edit- and its only a difference of 31mg of 4dhea which is the main ingredient... i will always buy androhard or proviron
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    Funny I got an email from andro factory on this product today - never heard of either until this thread. How did they get my email?

    Did someone from another company defect, and take an email list with them?
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    that would make sense... and i know who it would be also cuz he has my email.. but i ain mad at him cuz he hooked me up! if it is who i think it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezjax View Post
    dude i got my androhard v3 cheaper than any stano or stano clone in the classifieds from an old rep. that isnt the point. the point is that the question is will there be a well priced well dosed 4dhea product. it cant be that 4dhea stays this price forever.. people are looking for alternatives..

    you can get the old AMD 4AD RD for DIRT CHEAP.. I mean ridiculously cheap... there has to be a reason why.. more companies are going to create these products... what are you gonna say when forerunner brings out their alphabulk which will be the same as andromass???

    what are your expectations on that competitors product? eventually someone is gonna get it right... you know? its only a matter of time...
    The issue with the comparison to the sublingual 4DHEA product that is offered by AMS is that the typical user of that product does not see the same results as someone running AndroMass. In terms of response, AndroMass is still the superior product. AMS wouldn't deny this either, as AMS is forerunner. If they believed the RDe product was superior, they would not have come out with a similar product to AndroMass.

    You also have to consider the issue is the acquisition of raws. 4DHEA powder can probably be ordered from any one of a million chinese suppliers, run through a test to verify accuracy, and then sold. This is not the same with our product, because of the ester. This puts us in a position of requiring significantly more capital to purchase the raws, as there are only a handful that are skilled enough for the creation of the compound.

    I have spoken my opinion on the forerunner products before. I have respect for Right Hook, AMS, etc.. I think they positioned a product into a price range that is more manageable for some customers, and will probably be successful for them. They too have a long standing history of being a very competent company (obviously speaking of AMS, as forerunner is new, but it is still AMS's reputation to me). However, I think the direct comparison leaves our products as superior. When looking at the label of the forerunner products, you have less actives per serving, at a higher $/actives ratio. Right Hook has defended this on the basis that he considers his carrier to be superior to that of Primordials. We obviously disagree on this matter, but ultimately it doesn't matter. They are both similar and different, and I have never been one to shy away from competition. My issue with this product is not the competition, it is the stupidity behind the product and the blatant attempt to ride the success of our product. One can look at our product, or the forerunner product, and consider it well designed. One can not do this (being practical) with the Bulk Up product. It is a lame kitchen sink formula.

    I also have stated my opinion on the competition before. I, for one, hope for a SHIT TON of competition. Eventually that will lead to the raws being more readily available and competition among suppliers will drive down prices. This is good for the end user, and the company, and personally might allow me to have a few less headaches with the cost argument (I am not aiming this comment at you, your points are fair). The other benefit to increased competition is getting Eric back to the drawing board (not that he leaves) as he is dedicated to leading innovation, not following it. So as you said, it is a matter of time, and I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretostudy View Post
    The issue with the comparison to the sublingual 4DHEA product that is offered by AMS is that the typical user of that product does not see the same results as someone running AndroMass. In terms of response, AndroMass is still the superior product. AMS wouldn't deny this either, as AMS is forerunner. If they believed the RDe product was superior, they would not have come out with a similar product to AndroMass.

    You also have to consider the issue is the acquisition of raws. 4DHEA powder can probably be ordered from any one of a million chinese suppliers, run through a test to verify accuracy, and then sold. This is not the same with our product, because of the ester. This puts us in a position of requiring significantly more capital to purchase the raws, as there are only a handful that are skilled enough for the creation of the compound.

    I have spoken my opinion on the forerunner products before. I have respect for Right Hook, AMS, etc.. I think they positioned a product into a price range that is more manageable for some customers, and will probably be successful for them. They too have a long standing history of being a very competent company (obviously speaking of AMS, as forerunner is new, but it is still AMS's reputation to me). However, I think the direct comparison leaves our products as superior. When looking at the label of the forerunner products, you have less actives per serving, at a higher $/actives ratio. Right Hook has defended this on the basis that he considers his carrier to be superior to that of Primordials. We obviously disagree on this matter, but ultimately it doesn't matter. They are both similar and different, and I have never been one to shy away from competition. My issue with this product is not the competition, it is the stupidity behind the product and the blatant attempt to ride the success of our product. One can look at our product, or the forerunner product, and consider it well designed. One can not do this (being practical) with the Bulk Up product. It is a lame kitchen sink formula.

    I also have stated my opinion on the competition before. I, for one, hope for a SHIT TON of competition. Eventually that will lead to the raws being more readily available and competition among suppliers will drive down prices. This is good for the end user, and the company, and personally might allow me to have a few less headaches with the cost argument (I am not aiming this comment at you, your points are fair). The other benefit to increased competition is getting Eric back to the drawing board (not that he leaves) as he is dedicated to leading innovation, not following it. So as you said, it is a matter of time, and I agree.

    i actually read that whole novel and i appreciate your willingness to respond.. whats up with 1 last run of superdron and turinabol lv? i WISH i was using hormones when you carried those..

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    i actually read that whole novel and i appreciate your willingness to respond.. whats up with 1 last run of superdron and turinabol lv? i WISH i was using hormones when you carried those..
    It won't happen. Eric has been pretty strict on staying compliant and avoiding grey market products that will inevitably receive the wrong attention.

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    but yo whats gonna happen to the stock in your warehouse?? someone has gotta get those bottles before they expire and sell them on a fire sale i would think?? you mean to tell me you guys already unloaded every single bottle to retail stores???

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    but yo whats gonna happen to the stock in your warehouse?? someone has gotta get those bottles before they expire and sell them on a fire sale i would think?? you mean to tell me you guys already unloaded every single bottle to retail stores???
    We did. We ran a discontinuation sale on them, and they sold out rather quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezjax View Post
    dude i got my androhard v3 cheaper than any stano or stano clone in the classifieds from an old rep. that isnt the point. the point is that the question is will there be a well priced well dosed 4dhea product. it cant be that 4dhea stays this price forever.. people are looking for alternatives..

    you can get the old AMD 4AD RD for DIRT CHEAP.. I mean ridiculously cheap... there has to be a reason why.. more companies are going to create these products... what are you gonna say when forerunner brings out their alphabulk which will be the same as andromass???

    what are your expectations on that competitors product? eventually someone is gonna get it right... you know? its only a matter of time...

    edit- and its only a difference of 31mg of 4dhea which is the main ingredient... i will always buy androhard or proviron
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
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    Aren't we supposed to stay shhh about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretostudy View Post
    Aren't we supposed to stay shhh about that?
    We are pretty in the clear now....

    I just sent out a few proto types....

    Nonetheless, let's still stfu about it and I will give hints and clues as I keep getting more tester feedback in my google doc.....

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    I just sent out a few proto types....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    We are pretty in the clear now....

    I just sent out a few proto types....

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