Good second cycle.

[thechad1989]

Just got off a cycle of Havoc and already thinking about my next cycle. I got some pretty good gains off of havoc, definitely a lot of strength. So my question is, should I stick with Havoc and just stack it with something, or should i try a completely new product that would possibly give greater results. I am also going to use this next cycle as a bulking cycle. Thanks!

[thechad1989]

Anyone?

[Justeatem]

I dont know if its something your intrested in, but for my next cycle that ill be starting in a few weeks, ill be doing trenavar for 6 weeks and dbol as a 3 week kicker. Also might through in stano for the last week of trenavar and continue it for 2 weeks after just to dry myself out a bit more if needed, plus i like the feeling of stano at the end of a cycle as i usually get pretty fatigued at the end.

Im thinking of doing trenavar - 50/50/50/80/80/80 or maybe 90 instead of 80 depending how i go
Then dbol kicker - 20/30/30
And then week 6,7 & 8 ill do stano at 750/750/750

Im going to have an AI handy and probably have it at a low dose depending on sides from week 4 onwards just because of the trenavar possibly increasing my prolactin.

Ill run nolva and titanium for my pct and erase after my pct and just taper off it.

Im still trying to get oppinions on my cycle but so far i think ill just do it regardless lol

[jason267]

For a second cycle, you may want to try out Hdrol. Or if you want a straight bulking compound, Pmag works really well. But your diet will depict the outcome, regardless of what kind of cycle you plan.

Stacking either Pmag or Hdrol with Trenazone wouldnt be a bad idea. Great strength gains from Tzone. Wouldnt be harsh at all, tzone is fairly mild in terms of sides, and Pmag and Hdrol are tried and true.

[jason267]

You could also stick with Havoc (Epi) again, but run it higher, and stack it with Stano. Around 800mgs, would make you feel great, and the benefits of Stano, muscle hardness, leaning out, no lethargy, aggression in the gym...leading to better workouts. Might be a good next step.

[thechad1989]

Hmm well i did like the Epi but trying something new is always fun. With Havoc, my cycle assist consisted of a multi, fish oil, CEL cycle assist, some extra hawthorn berry, and milk thistle. Is this a good enough assist for either one of these options, the Hdrol and T zone or Epi and Stano?

[jason267]

Definetly. Actually all you really need is the CEL cycle assist. Milk thistle is trash in my opinion.
A multi and fish oil should be ran year round, not considered a "cycle supplement".
As long as your dosages are not too crazy and no longer than 6 weeks...youll be fine.

[jason267]

Cycle assist covers pretty much everything that is needed or not needed to run a safe cycle. I think that Tzone is not methylated and its a topical PH, so very mild in terms of liver and other sides. Hdrol when ran around 75mgs would make for a great cycle. Or pmag ran around 100mgs as well. The hdrol will give you good gains, but in my experience more of a toned, "beach body" type of appearance. A healthy look if done right. Pmag will give you more of a bulky look, a great bulker, again, if done right.

[thechad1989]

The fish oil and multi are definitely year round, I just see a bunch of people include it as an assist so I figured i should mention it as well hah. Well I think i may stock up now. So to reiterate, Hdrol and Tzone would be best for strength the size you think? Just to get your personal opinion

[jason267]

Well, i for one, love Hdrol. A very versital compound, you can bulk on it, gain lean muscle, or eat at maintenance and just make your workouts a bit more explosive, but all in all, it will give you some good lean muscle. Realistically around 10lbs if ran around 75mgs for 4 to 6 weeks. Most will tell you to run it at 6 weeks, but for me it kicks in much earlier.
So if i were you, i would run something like this:
Hdrol (75/75/75/75/75/75) or you may want to bump it up to 100mgs...usually 75 is plenty, especially for a stack.
Trenazone (either 1.5ml or 2ml for 6 weeks)

Youll need two bottles of each compound i believe. Do your research on each compound before just jumping into it. Another good on cycle supp to add in is P5P, basically a B vitamin. Good for keeping Prolactin levels in check, and some (and i mean very very few) say its a good idea to run it when cycleing Trenazone, to keep prolactin levels good. Tho i honestly doubt youll have any troubles with it. But read up on it all. Im fixing to run it with Epi in about a month. And theres tons of dudes that love Tzone. Plus, again, its a topical PH, so that means less pills to pop, most likely pretty easy on the system. BUT, if your looking for just the puffy, bulked up look, then Pmag might be a better option. To me tho, Hdrol just gives off a much better physique, perfect for summer too.

[youthinkimanerd]

ULTRADROL

i am anyways for my next cycle

[thechad1989]

Thank you guys for all the input! Jason, i like the fact that the Hdrol does not give a puffy look, so i will probably go for that with the Tzone, my goal is to put on size without looking....swollen lol.