clomid restart hpta for long term benefits

[standon2]

this was posted in the anonymous and ive been researching it and it looks like theirs evidence it might work with clomid, but would their be a better serm? Maybe the risks would outweigh the benefits just a few ideas is all im interested in thanks!

[henryv]

Test levels of 400 are normal. There's nothing to restart, since there's nothing turned off.

[standon2]

what if your in your early 20s

[standon2]

and I mean little to no alcohol no smoking high fats no processed foods sleep, as little stress etc

So henry your the king would a low dose run of clomid not be worth it, just pretty much no chance?

[henryv]

what if your in your early 20s

What I said.

Clomid is unlikely to have any long-term benefits.

[standon2]

thanks any other serms differ, or would something like hcg havee a better shot or just screwed with shitty genetics?

[swim15]

I am about your age OP with test in the mid 400's and I have been using clomid therapy to raise test levels. I had some blood work done a few months ago that looked good and I am going to get some more done when I am finished with my latest cycle of it.

On the up side I have been seeing increased sex drive and call me crazy but I have been noticing a difference in my physique which may be in combo with a revamped diet

[standon2]

nice, what do you mean revamped diet...also dosage, length, side effects etc?

[ASFh32]

or just screwed with shitty genetics?

I think many "problems" arise on this board simply from psychological issues.

There's nothing wrong with a test level in the 400s...

[ASFh32]

call me crazy but I have been noticing a difference in my physique which may be in combo with a revamped diet

lol

I mean, the placebo effect can certainly be powerful, if that's what you need to get your mind reset and back on top of its game.

[standon2]

I think many "problems" arise on this board simply from psychological issues.

There's nothing wrong with a test level in the 400s...

explain

[henryv]

thanks any other serms differ, or would something like hcg havee a better shot or just screwed with shitty genetics?

I wouldn't say you're screwed. I would say your test levels are normal.

Have a look around the board. Most of the blood test results I've seen from young guys seem to come back in the 400s. It's not unusual, it's not a problem, and it doesn't require treatment.

[Right Hook]

I think the problem is that people think a number (that is heavily effected by the smallest of influences) encompasses all that it means to be a healthy male. Testosterone levels are not a be all end all indicator. Subjective measures should be far more important. The problem is that it's hard to be honest with yourself (do you truly experience a low libido? Decreased energy?)

Total test is also less telling than free test.

[standon2]

its more of a lethargy issue,motivation strength issue

[henryv]

I think the problem is that people think a number (that is heavily effected by the smallest of influences) encompasses all that it means to be a healthy male. Testosterone levels are not a be all end all indicator. Subjective measures should be far more important. The problem is that it's hard to be honest with yourself (do you truly experience a low libido? Decreased energy?)

Total test is also less telling than free test.

Energy levels are difficult to gauge and self-diagnose, as most people would probably say "yes" if asked if they were sometimes low. There's a ton of things that can affect energy and libido.
Everyone wants 800+ test levels, but probably 90% of the non-pharmacologically affected (i.e. not on cycle, post cycle) blood tests I've seen on here are at the lower end of normal. But the lower end of normal is still normal. The OP isn't "shut down" and doesn't need to "restart".

[Right Hook]

Energy levels are difficult to gauge and self-diagnose, as most people would probably say "yes" if asked if they were sometimes low. There's a ton of things that can affect energy and libido.
Everyone wants 800+ test levels, but probably 90% of the non-pharmacologically affected (i.e. not on cycle, post cycle) blood tests I've seen on here are at the lower end of normal. But the lower end of normal is still normal. The OP isn't "shut down" and doesn't need to "restart".

That's why I said its difficult for people to be honest with themselves and take a real look at things like sleep, food, stressors first.

Testosterone level (especially total) is an arbitrary number and defining what is and is not normal is fairly silly when trying to determine what is effecting your overall health.

Sort of like trying to diagnose a potentially hypogonadal male on the interwebz like we all often do.

[swim15]

nice, what do you mean revamped diet...also dosage, length, side effects etc?

Changed my diet, mostly my macros, recently. This was long after I had started the clomid therapy though. I used 25mg ed for cycles of ~two weeks and no side effects accept elevated libido

[swim15]

lol

I mean, the placebo effect can certainly be powerful, if that's what you need to get your mind reset and back on top of its game.

Keep in mind clomid is a prescription drug that is pretty powerful and much more effective than the test boosters and DAA that everyone uses. I have decreased body fat and gained lean mass over the last month or two. Results have been impressive thus far. I am going to get blood work done within the month that I will post

[Pochii]

OP,

rand clomid for 4 weeks at 50mg,

pre bloods I was 650 test level. LH around 2.... FSH around .5

after clomiphene test level came back around 850 with lh and fsh around the same level.

I will try clomid again down the road, but with a dopamine agonist such as caber... ive read a study that clomid is more effective when paired with this in raising fsh

[ASFh32]

Keep in mind clomid is a prescription drug that is pretty powerful and much more effective than the test boosters and DAA that everyone uses. I have decreased body fat and gained lean mass over the last month or two. Results have been impressive thus far. I am going to get blood work done within the month that I will post

Feel free to head over to the PA subforum and read what PA has to say about using SERMs as test boosters and get back to me.

[swim15]

Just read the entire thread and it seems like there is a lot of unexplored potential as far as I can see

edit: especially when combined with DAA

[ssg10587]

My issue is there really isn't much information...Swim15 you explain you lost bodyfat...Were you in a calorie deficit? Were you eating in a surplus and still lost bodyfat. People are quick to blame the drugs for positive effects when in fact it is more diet and training.

Not doubting clomid at a test booster because it obviously is. I personally think test boosters are a waste in regards to gaining muscle. Test needs to be raised by a VERY LARGE percent to even effect protein synthesis. The only proven test boosters that raise test enough to gain muscle would be steroids. As for libido and more energy, clomid would definitely help.

[Happy234]

its up to you OP 400 isnt low.

maybe try some daa, then if that doesnt work try something else combined

In Pochii 's case total test (dont know what his free test was) at 650 no need to run clomid to get it to jump 200 points and that is just my opinion if my test levels were tested at 650 four weeks after pct, Id be happy.

I got mine tested on a 14ad cycle back in 2009 during pct in the 4th or 5th week and they came back in the low 500s. I tend to think testosterone levels are genetic and that is why some people can "bounce" back faster due to genetic factors

I personally feel daa keeps my testosterone levels in the moderate-higher levels and Ive been on it 10-11 months straight, even during cycle.

[branniganslaw]

There is plenty of evidence that clomid will work to bump your test levels as you expect it to. The misconception IMHO is that a 200 point jump in test, within normal physiological levels, will have some big noticeable impact on performance or body composition.

[Happy234]

There is plenty of evidence that clomid will work to bump your test levels as you expect it to. The misconception IMHO is that a 200 point jump in test, within normal physiological levels, will have some big noticeable impact on performance or body composition.

agreed. I do think that going from 300-400 to 600-700 may have a nice impact like 5-10 lbs or so. Just a theory