First Cycle - Advice please :)

[Benjwg]

So ive been contemplating doing my fist PH cycle for about 6 months now and have finally ordered most of what I need.

I had one cycle for H-Drol planned but dumped my plans due to feedback from people here.

Stats - 22, 6ft, 200LB, 16% BF

My Plan-

Protein/creatine/Multi vit through whole cycle as normal.

Preload 2 weeks Hawthorne Berry, Milk Thistle.

4 week cycle AndrohardV3 Stacked with ?????

HCgenerate @ Max doseage starting on 2nd week of PH's until 2 weeks after PH is discontinued.

Nolva 30/20/20/10 = as this is all I can get my hands on.


Basicly, I need recomendations for what to stack with Androhard.... not anything more from andro series due to price restriction.

I was thinking Havoc or Halodrol to stack with AHV3 but IDK and need some opinions / help.


My goal is to build slight mass while losing some BF.

Will also be using some sort of anti DHT shampoo to try an minimize possible hair loss effects from AHV3.


Diet is in good check, eating 50/30/20 6 meals a day + about 7 Pints of water

So please advise me of what other PH to use (A mild one please) and also if you think I am lacking anything for PCT or should do anything different, please let me know.

Thanks for any input.

[autokraftgt]

Epi would be a good choice

[sl33k]

Trenazone. It's a transdermal so it's not liver toxic. And since you're a four week cycle 1/1.5/1.5/1.5 should be greatt.

And if you want you can run Nolva at 30/20/10/10/10 with DAA (Dpol preferably)

[bradray]

Nolva at 20/20/10/10 would be sufficient

[C-smooth]

Its your first cycle and you want it mild and you changed your mind from using just H-drol solo to stacking 2 ph's? What are you trying to accomplish with your first cycle a bulk or getting below 16% BF, it doesnt say.

I would run H-drol or Epi or something but solo first....the rest looks ok though but you shouldnt have to go above 20mg nolva...unless you have issues, but you wont know any of that yet, this is your first cycle...lol

[aussieraven]

You could go for this:
Epi:40/40/40/40/40/40 (or 50mg, whatever you're more comfortable with)
AHv3 4caps ED for the 6weeks you're on

Should work whether you're cutting, recomping or bulking.

[Benjwg]

I was thinking Epi also - thx

I like the ideas for nolva dosing.

All my stuff has arrived now cept my androhard or epi as I just ordered 2 bottles of epi - will try and make a 5 week cycle out of both.

What are you trying to accomplish with your first cycle a bulk or getting below 16% BF, it doesnt say.

I Said I was trying to build slight mass while losing some BF%

Will see how everything goes once all arrived, guess I will be logging, thanks.

[C-smooth]

I Said I was trying to build slight mass while losing some BF%

Will see how everything goes once all arrived, guess I will be logging, thanks.

Right on, thats called a Recomp.....if your diet is on point EPI would work great for that...

[jimmy12]

I wouldnt stack anything fr a first cycle. Epi or HDrol solo would be a good choice.

btw, whats wrong with H-Drol?

[Broscience101]

I'm starting my first cycle in a week.40mg Epi for 6 weeks.... I may jump to 50mg+ if I see fit.

I probably won't though. I may use the left over to do a bridge for my second cycle.

[Benjwg]

I wouldnt stack anything fr a first cycle. Epi or HDrol solo would be a good choice.

btw, whats wrong with H-Drol?

Nothing wrong with H-Drol that I know of, but since the reviews of my cycle plan were bad - I scrapped the whole thing and started fresh.

Since re-planning my cycle I found other PH's that will have more of the effect I am after.

I picked AndroHard as it slightly crushes estrogen which will be of benefit for me as I dont want the estro sides - I figure stacking it with another PH would be like using a weak AI through cycle so really, I am not to bothered what else I stack with it. its gonna be trial and error. for sure, if it goes wrong, I will learn from my mistakes

Got my Epi here, just waiting for my AHV3 then Im g2g.

Guess only time will tell if stacking for my first cycle was a good idea or not, will let you know if im breast feeding by the end of it.

Thanks for input.

[Benjwg]

Starting my cycle next week... (This is delayed... I was planning to start this week but forgot all about hawthorne berry and milk thistle preload so Im doing that starting now 1.5weeks before)

I will be running a 5 week cycle.

6 Caps AHV3 ED
20mg Epi ED

Epi dose is low but its my first cycle and stacking 2 Estrogen supressing PH's

AHV3 + Epi should leave me with no joints if I take the full dose as I will only be using fish oils for the joints!!

I will start my HCGENERATE on week 4 and carry it through to my 4th week of PCT
I will hit the Nolva @ 20/20/10/10/10

Dont neg me for the low epi dose - only after about 6LB+ lean gains with bit of cutting.