need critique on this trenavar/epistane/clen and ECA stack

[jeffrey12]

Hi,

24 years old, 148 pounds, training for 6 years, 13% BF.

Arranged this stack in order to slightly build up muscle mass whilst losing some BF. What do you think of my stack? What gains should i expect to get? Is there anything else that i'm missing in this?

Thanks for your help in advance....


Week 1

Trenavar 60mg daily
Epistane – 30mg daily
NAC – 1.2g daily
CEL Cycle Assist - 2 tablets x 2 a day
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily

Week 2

Trenavar 60 mg daily
Epistane – 40mg daily
NAC – 1.2g daily
CEL Cycle Assist - 2 tablets x 2 a day
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily

Week 3

Trenavar 60mg daily
Epistane – 40mg daily
NAC – 1.2g daily
CEL Cycle Assist - 2 tablets x 2 a day
Clenbuterol 40/60/80/100/100/100/100

Week 4

Trenavar 60mg daily
Epistane – 40mg daily
NAC – 1.2g daily
CEL Cycle Assist - 2 tablets x 2 a day
Clenbuterol 100/100/80/80/60/40/40

Week 5

Trenavar 60mg daily
Epistane – 40mg daily
NAC – 1.2g daily
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily

Week 6

DAA – 3mg daily
Clomid – 50mg daily
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily
Week 7

DAA – 3mg daily
Clomid – 50mg daily
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily


Week 8

DAA – 3mg daily
Clomid – 25mg daily
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily

Week 9

DAA – 3mg daily
Clomid – 25mg daily
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily

[trevor]

add ketotifen(to prevent down regulation of beta 2 receptors)
add taurine
and everything looks good

[jeffrey12]

thanks trevor...

where would you add the ketofin?
and shall i supplement taurine throughout?

[trevor]

thanks trevor...

where would you add the ketofin?
and shall i supplement taurine throughout?

i would run ketotifen throughout to prevent down reg of the beta2 receptors because eca and clen both hit them

and supplement taurine throughout aswell. remember to stay hydrated too, and get some potassium through your diet.

[agito]

eca trial where done on 3x at 20mg and aspirin is quite dangerous over a long time peroid and has shown not to increase the potency of the EC
but if this your first cycle id probs srtick to 1 compound and bump the epi if need be you might be a non responder but you wont know running 2 compounds

[jeffrey12]

thanks trevor..

agito, i've already got some pre stacked ECA tablets with 30mg ephedrine/170mg caffeine etc.. well i've ordered all the supplements just now so fingers crossed all goes to plan.. the only issue i'm scared of is my test shutting down but from what i've gathered about my PCT that should cover any contingencies that may occur

[agito]

test will shut down to some degree regardless what you do unless you can get hcg.

I wouldn't worry about it your hormones have to be above natural level to work and your body will realize this and slow/stop production its one of the reasons why people cycle

Nature of the beast

[Nor-Natural]

148lbs? at 13%



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[johnc]

I think you're stacking too much. If you have to run a cycle, just pick one PH and don't do the other stuff (clen, eca, etc.). And run a moderate dosage.

And I know I'm going to get fried for this, but IMO adding mass while losing fat is really difficult, even with a PH.

[agito]

I think you're stacking too much. If you have to run a cycle, just pick one PH and don't do the other stuff (clen, eca, etc.). And run a moderate dosage.

And I know I'm going to get fried for this, but IMO adding mass while losing fat is really difficult, even with a PH.

It makes sense

[lolhai]

I think you're stacking too much. If you have to run a cycle, just pick one PH and don't do the other stuff (clen, eca, etc.). And run a moderate dosage.

And I know I'm going to get fried for this, but IMO adding mass while losing fat is really difficult, even with a PH.

Not with trenbolone

[07lane40]

How tall? 148 at 13% is pretty small.. Unless you're like 5'2".. Not hating. Just think you don't need so many compounds

[jeffrey12]

Not with trenbolone

after doing some research i heard that trenavar gives you dry gains..?

[jeffrey12]

How tall? 148 at 13% is pretty small.. Unless you're like 5'2".. Not hating. Just think you don't need so many compounds

add a few inches to that and thats me lol.. im 5ft 4in.. i got up to 160 pounds and due to my height i looked like an absolute pillock so im going for the smaller but still big due to my height lean look if that makes sense.. whats your recommendation on the stack>?

[jeffrey12]

hi guys,

i've just started the cycle now and ive had to adapt the cycle slightly.. what do you guys think?

i purchased these products below.. the trenadrol comes in capsules of 40mg.. shall i take 1 capsule a day or 2? what times shall i be taking these in order for them to work optimally?

thanks for your help in advance



Fusion Trenadrol : 1 : 27.99
RPN Havoc : 1 : 29.99
Anabolic Designs Life Support : 1 : 28.99

Week 1

Trenavar - 40mg x 2 times a day
Epistane – 10mg x 3 times a day
Anabolic Designs Life Support - 2 tablets x 2 times a day
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily

Week 2

Trenavar - 40mg x 2 times a day
Epistane – 10mg x 4 times a day
Anabolic Designs Life Support - 2 tablets x 2 times a day
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily

Week 3

Trenavar - 40mg x 2 times a day
Epistane – 10mg x 4 times a day
Anabolic Designs Life Support - 2 tablets x 2 times a day
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily
Clenbuterol 40/60/80/100/100/100/100

Week 4

Trenavar - 40mg x 2 times a day
Epistane – 10mg x 4 times a day
Anabolic Designs Life Support - 2 tablets x 2 times a day
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily
Clenbuterol 40/60/80/100/100/100/100

Week 5

Trenavar - 40mg x 2 times a day
Epistane – 10mg x 4 times a day
Anabolic Designs Life Support - 2 tablets x 2 times a day
ECA – 30mg x 2 daily

[02sixxer]

Damn 148. What is your expected results? What is your diet and macros?

[02sixxer]

You better get some taurine and potassium. Cramping like amofo from that.

[jeffrey12]

hi 02sixxer,

expected results can vary hopefully i can put on a 2-3kg of muscle whilst losing BF. im having my oats in the morning, then for the rest of the day its steaks, tuna, chicken with salads and i'd be having 3 protein shakes throughout the day too..

what times do you think i should take the pro hormones? and shall i stick to 40mg or 80mg of trenadrol..

thanks

[agito]

hi 02sixxer,

expected results can vary hopefully i can put on a 2-3kg of muscle whilst losing BF. im having my oats in the morning, then for the rest of the day its steaks, tuna, chicken with salads and i'd be having 3 protein shakes throughout the day too..

what times do you think i should take the pro hormones? and shall i stick to 40mg or 80mg of trenadrol..

thanks

he asked for macros to sound out if you know how to diet there not macros and there very important to your goal. spread dosing out even as possible dont make the stimulants to late though as they will effect your sleep some say epi will as well

[jeffrey12]

im planning on eating around 220g of protein, 80g carbs and 20g fat.. that should average out to about 1,380 calories...

is 40mg sufficient or can i put it up to 80mg..? thanks

[agito]

for me 40mg of epi gave me nose bleed plus you've stacked it but for others its nothing just play it by ear.
on a recomp your numbers should start at 1700-2000 fat i well to low and so is your carbs fat should be 50g min
id go 200p 100c 45f (6g should be from fish oil)

[jeffrey12]

is that taking into consideration my height of 163cm and weight at 148 pounds?

[agito]

yes it was bmr + low activity based on your body weight
just take week measurement of your waist to confirm loss as scale wont reflect true loss

[jeffrey12]

okay brilliant.. thanks agito..

i'll prob stick to 30mg epistane and 40mg trenadrol this week and if i feel i can bump it up i'll get it up to 40mg epistane and 80mg trenadrol.. going to go buy some taurine and potassium tomorrow to get rid of any cramps that may occur..

[agito]

dont think trenadrol is same as the var is it? id be tempted to bump the drol by an extra 1 cap in week 1