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    Okay, call me a retard if necessary. But i'm leaning toward trying a super dmz 2.0 cycle and just have questions. I understand that cycle assistance and PCT are both necessary, and expensive. But, bottom line is i'm on a budget. I'm thinking of just taking the ph with no assistance and then PCT. Is this a stupid idea? I've done research and websites vary on how important/necessary a cycle assist is. Can someone point me in the right direction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhands25 View Post
    Okay, call me a retard if necessary. But i'm leaning toward trying a super dmz 2.0 cycle and just have questions. I understand that cycle assistance and PCT are both necessary, and expensive. But, bottom line is i'm on a budget. I'm thinking of just taking the ph with no assistance and then PCT. Is this a stupid idea? I've done research and websites vary on how important/necessary a cycle assist is. Can someone point me in the right direction?
    If you hate your body, IT's ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! Otherwise, it's idiotic. Pre and post cycle bloodwork would prove that to you!

    Let me help layout the cycle for you, I'll try to keep it as cheap as possible for you as I do understand what being on a budget is like - I'm still in school myself.

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    I realize you probably won't - but I always recommend getting bloodwork before and after every cycle to ensure your body is returning to its natural homeostatic state and it's safe for you to consider beginning another cycle.

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    Get blood work before every cycle as well as after PCT to see if you're in the clear for beginning your next cycle.

    Select the female hormonal panel from Private MD Labs - this will test what needs to be, and is much cheaper than the male hormonal panel.
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    Although I have very limited experience in this area, You could probably get away with just buying Hawthorn Berry to run instead of a cycle support, alot cheaper. And some people say the milk thistle is useless anyway. This is provided you already have a good multivitamin like Now foods adam's multimitamin. Already has CoQ10 along with a few other goodies in it that you might find do similar things to a cycle support product. DMZ is pretty harsh for a first PH though isnt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeGee View Post
    Although I have very limited experience in this area, You could probably get away with just buying Hawthorn Berry to run instead of a cycle support, alot cheaper. And some people say the milk thistle is useless anyway. This is provided you already have a good multivitamin like Now foods adam's multimitamin. Already has CoQ10 along with a few other goodies in it that you might find do similar things to a cycle support product. DMZ is pretty harsh for a first PH though isnt it?
    How about the kidneys, the cholesterol, etc
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    im on dmz 2.0 atm and its the BALLS.he set you up with a reasonable, barebones cycle thatll treat you very well.
    bdgets suck, i know but if you dont do it right.......dont do it at all
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    super-dmz is AWESOME. the original and the 2.0. the only difference as far as i know is the superdrol and the m-sten, but both are very strong. which brings me to my next point- these are very strong, and for a first time cycle, i am thinking it may be too much. maybe you should start with h-drol or epistane...? honestly, MY first cycle was with superdrol and i didnt get any bad side effects, and i am alive and well.
    but if you have your heart set on doing super-dmz, make sure you start low and work your way up. like one capsule a day for the first 2 weeks and then go up to 2 a day. NEVER go beyond that. i know you don't want to wait for the results, but seriously, don't F yourself up, cuz then you'll never get to the gym!! definitely get some kind of cycle support. it doesnt have to be expensive. get alpha lipoic acid (now brand has a cheap one for like $12) and some hawthorn berry, which is also cheap. maybe a bottle of n-acetyl cysteine (NAC) which may be a tiny bit more expensive, but still cheap. your main concern is your liver. take these along with your multivitamin, which also doesn't have to be expensive. altogether, we are looking at 50 dollars, tops. that may sound like a lot, but it is worth it. this stuff is not good for you, but we already know that and we do it anyway because we like what it does. for pct, definitlely get some liver supp's. good quality milk thistle is a good idea. there are some over-the-counter pct's that are not too expensive. try ERASE and REVERSITOL (not 'resveratrol') together. you should probably do a serm, which i hear is pretty cheap but honestly, i never have. then again, i always end up losing my gains within a few months too, so maybe i should...
    anyway, none of this stuff has to be too expensive, and it is very necessary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrymc
    get alpha lipoic acid (now brand has a cheap one for like $12) and some hawthorn berry, which is also cheap. maybe a bottle of n-acetyl cysteine (NAC) which may be a tiny bit more expensive, but still cheap. your main concern is your liver. take these along with your multivitamin, which also doesn't have to be expensive. altogether, we are looking at 50 dollars, tops...... good quality milk thistle is a good idea
    If you're gonna piece-meal it in seperate bottles, may as well just get the IML advanced cycle support, quite possibly cheaper, and has pretty much all that stuff in there already

    Just sayin, for the price and dosage it's one of the best all-in-one cycle supports I've seen that covers the basics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggiesmallz View Post
    If you're gonna piece-meal it in seperate bottles, may as well just get the IML advanced cycle support, quite possibly cheaper, and has pretty much all that stuff in there already
    Just sayin, for the price and dosage it's one of the best all-in-one cycle supports I've seen that covers the basics.
    good call. i am liking the ingredients in this. thank you.

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    thanks sounds great, i came across CEL Cycle Assist on Amazon today whats the deal with that? It says its an on cycle and post cycle assistant. kinda like an all in one. Is that true?

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    I'd spend some time searching for logs of Super DMZ and reading about what other people used. It's the best way to educate yourself and get a solid idea on what works best. But you have to really spend some time reading and make an educated decision before you buy. Find good logs where people took the time to record their PCT progress as well. There is no point in spending all this money and then losing all your gains after you come off. Or even worse, you don't want to get 3-4 weeks in and then realize your body can't handle it because you didn't have sufficient support supplements.

    I'm sure a lot of guys go way overkill with support supplements. You need to find a good middle ground for staying healthy and getting the most out of your investment of time and money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhands25 View Post
    I understand that cycle assistance and PCT are both necessary, and expensive. But, bottom line is i'm on a budget. I'm thinking of just taking the ph with no assistance and then PCT. Is this a stupid idea?

    Man if money is an issue, YOU ARE NOT READY. its that simple. Wait it out and save your dollhairs and research and prep more and then BALLS TO THE FUCKING WALL once youre set

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    The best on cycle support is a healthy life style and diet. If you arent banging your liver with aclohol or taking in too little water, your liver should be fine. Especially witb a 4-6 week run. If you are going to run any on cycle support run a tudca product like aegis. A bottle of cellery seed extract os like $3 and kicks in immediately.. however i would use the board sponsors reseach chem site and get dome clomid or nolva

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    I would never run 2 di-methyls without some type of liver support. Liv52 is only 8-10 dollars a bottle and well worth the money spent. I like Adrenolin's layout because it covers all the bases, but if you are not going that route, at least buy some liv52 and be sure to drink plenty of water ( 1-2 gallons a day ). If you short change yourself on the cycle assistance, then the money should be spent on a well thought out PCT. After running Super DMZ 2.0 you will need serm, test booster ( daa ) and some type of AI to be on the safe side. A good pct will give you the best chance to keep your gains after the cycle and help your body get back to normal capacities in minimal time. Creatine helps a bit in pct as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradray View Post
    I would never run 2 di-methyls without some type of liver support. Liv52 is only 8-10 dollars a bottle and well worth the money spent. I like Adrenolin's layout because it covers all the bases, but if you are not going that route, at least buy some liv52 and be sure to drink plenty of water ( 1-2 gallons a day ). If you short change yourself on the cycle assistance, then the money should be spent on a well thought out PCT. After running Super DMZ 2.0 you will need serm, test booster ( daa ) and some type of AI to be on the safe side. A good pct will give you the best chance to keep your gains after the cycle and help your body get back to normal capacities in minimal time. Creatine helps a bit in pct as well
    that liv52 sounds legit have you used it? Seems like an ideal cycle support and a regular PCT should be fine for me. If it weren't for you i was about to buy a 40$ cycle support screw that! Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhands25 View Post
    that liv52 sounds legit have you used it? Seems like an ideal cycle support and a regular PCT should be fine for me. If it weren't for you i was about to buy a 40$ cycle support screw that! Thanks!
    You're not ready for cycling if this is how you feel about protecting your body. The liver is the last thing that needs protection... the is very resilient and regenerates.... good luck getting your heart to regenerate on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrenolin View Post
    You're not ready for cycling if this is how you feel about protecting your body. The liver is the last thing that needs protection... the is very resilient and regenerates.... good luck getting your heart to regenerate on you.
    Okay scratch all that, this is what i threw together on amazon for under $100
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    You familiar with these?

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    There is no sense going cheap with a cycle. If you dont have at least $200 to use, then just wait. The more you put in, the more you will get out of it.

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    Buy your products over time. If you have money for the Cycle Assist now, buy it and save it. Then buy your PCT product. Then buy your PH. I'm not seeing the rush? Budgets are there usually because people don't have patience. Why not just "budget" for the products over the next 3 paychecks and then start your cycle?

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