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This is a discussion on At what 11-oxo dosage is a serm required? within the Q & A with Patrick Arnold forums, part of the Supplements Discussion category; Hey Patrick, I've heard from multiple people that when you start cruising around 600mg+ dosage, a otc pct wont suffice ...
I've heard from multiple people that when you start cruising around 600mg+ dosage, a otc pct wont suffice anymore. However, I saw you post the following:
So at what dosage WOULD a serm be required?
many thanks in advance Pat.
i dont know
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can't tell without bloodwork mate. While a low dose should be fine, when you get into the higher doses, individuals will respond differently, some may not get too much shutdown, some may be completely shutdown. Either go the safe than sorry route, or get bloods done after
Cheers to both of you for responding!
I recovered fine at 900 for 8 weeks. took sustain alpha for PCT...bloodwork confirmed I was good. 11-oxo is underrated but too bad it's so facking expensive
PA, how tall is a tree?
Verbal, I would think getting pre-cycle and post-cycle blood-work would be the best way of getting a meaningful answer to this question. Yes, it adds to the already costly cycle, assuming you have 11-oxo and not a clone, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Note: I didn't need a serm at 450mg for 4 weeks, then 600mg for two weeks, but had bloodwork done anyway to make sure. Just my $0.02
450mg was perfect for cutting. You can check my review for more specifics; 11 OXO Before/After Pics
Remember to have the rest of your diet and training on point, because it will not compensate for pure laziness or overeating. Although I will say I upped my calories in an attempt to "lean bulk," and it ended up being a cut (see pictures in review). What kind of deficit are you shooting for on your cut? I believe if you keep protein intake up at 2g/lb bw, lifting heavy weights (i.e. don't decrease load, just frequency and/or volume) you will be able to get away with a serious deficit without losing muscle mass.
I do not believe I lost any muscle (Tanita handheld probably just got it wrong due to a decrease in glycogen and water weight), because my strength was up in every lift while dropping . I think my favorite thing about 11oxo was the increase in muscle hardness and skin tightness on the stomach.
Note: I used E-Pharm 11oxo, which I recommend you use if you can snag a few bottles.
I am do a little experiment myself with 11-sterone and testforce/testforce 2. Its been great so far. Im only at 375 mg a day though for my cut.
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