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This is a discussion on Ostarine (MK-2866 SARM) cycle blood work within the Q & A with Patrick Arnold forums, part of the Supplements Discussion category; I'm five weeks into a 10 week ostarine cycle at 25mg per day and have a couple questions. In one ...

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    I'm five weeks into a 10 week ostarine cycle at 25mg per day and have a couple questions.

    In one of the clinical trials this SARM wasn't HPTA-suppressive in humans at 3mg daily for 12 weeks, but I am not convinced that the much larger daily dose I'm taking will not be suppressive. For this reason I want to have blood work done to see if it's shutting me down so that I'll know whether or not I will need to do PCT. So my question is this: If I have blood work done while this drug is in my system, could it give a false reading for testosterone and show higher testosterone blood levels than what I truly have? If so, I'll wait until the end of the cycle.

    My second question: If I do in fact discover from blood work results that this drug isn't HPTA-suppressive to any significant degree at this dose, would it be OK to one day use this SARM alongside a SERM during the PCT phase of a suppressive AAS cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Homo View Post
    In one of the clinical trials this SARM wasn't HPTA-suppressive in humans at 3mg daily for 12 weeks, but I am not convinced that the much larger daily dose I'm taking will not be suppressive.
    See PA's post in a similar thread:

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    your skepticisim is well founded. if it activates the androgen receptor then the risk for shutdown is there. you will still be "on" if you take a sarm

    the research on sarms that show very little androgenic activity and HPTA suppression involve very minimal doses. grandma doses. I would bet you a million bucks that at bodybuilder doses the androgenic and suppressive actions are there just like with everything else

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    Right - that's why I'm concerned it might be shutting me down. But my question to Patrick is about whether or not having blood work done while the drug is in my system can cause an inaccurate testosterone blood level result. And also: whether or not this SARM can be used alongside a SERM if I find from my blood work results that the dose I'm taking is not suppressive to a significant degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Homo View Post
    I'm five weeks into a 10 week ostarine cycle at 25mg per day and have a couple questions.

    In one of the clinical trials this SARM wasn't HPTA-suppressive in humans at 3mg daily for 12 weeks, but I am not convinced that the much larger daily dose I'm taking will not be suppressive. For this reason I want to have blood work done to see if it's shutting me down so that I'll know whether or not I will need to do PCT. So my question is this: If I have blood work done while this drug is in my system, could it give a false reading for testosterone and show higher testosterone blood levels than what I truly have? If so, I'll wait until the end of the cycle.

    My second question: If I do in fact discover from blood work results that this drug isn't HPTA-suppressive to any significant degree at this dose, would it be OK to one day use this SARM alongside a SERM during the PCT phase of a suppressive AAS cycle?

    you are right in suspecting that at the dose you are taking there probably is some suppressoin. I see no reason why there would be interference with the testosterone

    as for your last question i dont know what "ok" means. Personally, offtime from androgens means offtime. If you dont want to go off then fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Homo View Post
    I'm five weeks into a 10 week ostarine cycle at 25mg per day and have a couple questions.

    In one of the clinical trials this SARM wasn't HPTA-suppressive in humans at 3mg daily for 12 weeks, but I am not convinced that the much larger daily dose I'm taking will not be suppressive. For this reason I want to have blood work done to see if it's shutting me down so that I'll know whether or not I will need to do PCT. So my question is this: If I have blood work done while this drug is in my system, could it give a false reading for testosterone and show higher testosterone blood levels than what I truly have? If so, I'll wait until the end of the cycle.

    My second question: If I do in fact discover from blood work results that this drug isn't HPTA-suppressive to any significant degree at this dose, would it be OK to one day use this SARM alongside a SERM during the PCT phase of a suppressive AAS cycle?
    How have your gains been?

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    Thanks for the reply. I'm going to have blood work done while on this drug to see what's going on.

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    How have your gains been?
    Gains have been awesome since I've dramatically increased my calories in the middle of the fourth week. I planned this cycle as a two phase cutting and bulking cycle. The first 4 weeks I kept my calories very low and hoped to use the ostarine to help preserve muscle while I lost body fat, and it seemed to work very well: I lost 9 pounds (175 down to 166), my abs became visible and I gained a lot of definition and vascularity, yet the tape measure still showed the same measurements on my arms and other places, so I must have gained a little muscle to displace the body fat.

    Halfway into the fourth week I increased my calories A LOT. I'm eating about three times what I was eating. When I started eating big I started going up about a pound a day, and now I'm at 173 (up 7 pounds from 166). So now I'm waaaay leaner than when I started this cycle, and almost as heavy with over four more weeks to go. And during this last week all my measurements have gone up (I've added over 1/4 of an inch to my arms). And what's really awesome is that it doesn't appear that I've gained any fat whatsoever since upping my calories. If anything, I've somehow continued to lose fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Homo View Post
    Gains have been awesome since I've dramatically increased my calories in the middle of the fourth week. I planned this cycle as a two phase cutting and bulking cycle. The first 4 weeks I kept my calories very low and hoped to use the ostarine to help preserve muscle while I lost body fat, and it seemed to work very well: I lost 9 pounds (175 down to 166), my abs became visible and I gained a lot of definition and vascularity, yet the tape measure still showed the same measurements on my arms and other places, so I must have gained a little muscle to displace the body fat.

    Halfway into the fourth week I increased my calories A LOT. I'm eating about three times what I was eating. When I started eating big I started going up about a pound a day, and now I'm at 173 (up 7 pounds from 166). So now I'm waaaay leaner than when I started this cycle, and almost as heavy with over four more weeks to go. And during this last week all my measurements have gone up (I've added over 1/4 of an inch to my arms). And what's really awesome is that it doesn't appear that I've gained any fat whatsoever since upping my calories. If anything, I've somehow continued to lose fat.
    That sounds amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sluggy View Post
    That sounds amazing!
    Sure does. No Homo, please let us know how your blood work looks. From the logs I've been looking at, most seem to be happy at 10 or 15mg daily, so if you aren't suppressed on 25mg daily, then this is really cool stuff. ALso, are you going to check your liver enzymes? The clinical trials showed no elevation, but who knows at 8 times the dosage what might happen...

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    Registered to chime in here and say that I'm definitely interested in seeing your blood work. I've been on 20-25mg ED for almost four weeks now and I'm loving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayan View Post
    Sure does. No Homo, please let us know how your blood work looks. From the logs I've been looking at, most seem to be happy at 10 or 15mg daily, so if you aren't suppressed on 25mg daily, then this is really cool stuff. ALso, are you going to check your liver enzymes? The clinical trials showed no elevation, but who knows at 8 times the dosage what might happen...
    i will put my money on these sarms being just as hepatotoxic and suppressive as AAS at bodybuilder dosages
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowkey9 View Post
    Registered to chime in here and say that I'm definitely interested in seeing your blood work. I've been on 20-25mg ED for almost four weeks now and I'm loving it.

    just curious......since you must have gotten this stuff from a black market source how do you know that someone just didnt put an AAS in the bottle and label it as a SARM??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    just curious......since you must have gotten this stuff from a black market source how do you know that someone just didnt put an AAS in the bottle and label it as a SARM??
    I don't.

    Are any AAS sold in a liquid oral suspension?

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    I ordered blood work. I'll probably have it done one day this week or the next and report back with the results for those of you who want to know.

    As for the ostarine being a mislabeled AAS: it is possible, but so far there's nothing to lead me to suspect this is the case. When andarine (S-4) first became available from internet sources there were some of the same concerns, but it has since been proven that what is being sold over the internet is the real deal. I can't post links yet, so search one of the online journals for the article titled as follows: Detection of the arylpropionamide-derived selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM) S-4 (Andarine) in a black-market product.

    I would bet the ostarine is the real deal too. But whatever it is, it's certainly not andarine because those who have tried andarine invariably experienced ocular side effects, and I haven't. As for that matter, I haven't experienced any side effects whatsoever. This leads me to believe that what I'm taking is likely not an AAS, because the one androgen I've experimented with in the past (adrenosterone at 600mg/day) caused me to have oily skin, and I stopped taking it after only three days into the cycle (I have to look perfect all of the time!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Homo View Post
    I ordered blood work. I'll probably have it done one day this week or the next and report back with the results for those of you who want to know.

    As for the ostarine being a mislabeled AAS: it is possible, but so far there's nothing to lead me to suspect this is the case. When andarine (S-4) first became available from internet sources there were some of the same concerns, but it has since been proven that what is being sold over the internet is the real deal. I can't post links yet, so search one of the online journals for the article titled as follows: Detection of the arylpropionamide-derived selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM) S-4 (Andarine) in a black-market product.

    I would bet the ostarine is the real deal too. But whatever it is, it's certainly not andarine because those who have tried andarine invariably experienced ocular side effects, and I haven't. As for that matter, I haven't experienced any side effects whatsoever. This leads me to believe that what I'm taking is likely not an AAS, because the one androgen I've experimented with in the past (adrenosterone at 600mg/day) caused me to have oily skin, and I stopped taking it after only three days into the cycle (I have to look perfect all of the time!).
    Agreeing with all of this. I've experienced very mild sides, almost unnoticeable, really, which have been essentially just dry mouth and sleeplessness, both of which seem to have subsided after the first two weeks. I usually have trouble sleeping anyway so the latter may not even be caused by the Ostarine. I haven't seen even the slightest hint of any hormonal side effects whatsoever. I'm sure it's not S4/Andarine either, seeing as I haven't had any changes to my vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowkey9 View Post
    I don't.

    Are any AAS sold in a liquid oral suspension?
    Yes. Not going to name any labs but it isnt hard to make, order raw powder dissolve in alcohol. Bam you have liquid AAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattc908 View Post
    Yes. Not going to name any labs but it isnt hard to make, order raw powder dissolve in alcohol. Bam you have liquid AAS.
    Ah okay. The Ostarine isn't suspended in alcohol, it's in DMSO. I don't know if that would make a difference or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowkey9 View Post
    I don't.

    Are any AAS sold in a liquid oral suspension?
    they certainly could be. any of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowkey9 View Post
    Ah okay. The Ostarine isn't suspended in alcohol, it's in DMSO. I don't know if that would make a difference or not.
    Transdermal Ostarine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowkey9 View Post
    I don't.

    Are any AAS sold in a liquid oral suspension?
    Most (domestic)UGL's making liquid orals now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Homo View Post
    the one androgen I've experimented with in the past (adrenosterone at 600mg/day) caused me to have oily skin, and I stopped taking it after only three days into the cycle (I have to look perfect all of the time!).
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    I am in.
    Am using OSTA in PCT.

    Bet you 10$ PA that osta is not suppressive.

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    I had the blood sample taken today. I should have the results back within 72 hours.

    For those that were interested: The rapid gains I had in the fifth week after increasing my calories have seemingly come to a stop for now. So I'm really not sure how much credit to give the ostarine. Going from a caloric deficit to a huge caloric surplus like that could have had a lot to do with the rapid muscle gain, I suppose. But the before and during cycle pics posted below definitely show a big increase in muscularity and leanness. The before pic is from about three weeks before the start of the cycle.


    5 WEEKS INTO OSTARINE CYCLE:
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    BEFORE OSTARINE CYCLE:
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Homo View Post
    I had the blood sample taken today. I should have the results back within 72 hours.

    For those that were interested: The rapid gains I had in the fifth week after increasing my calories have seemingly come to a stop for now. So I'm really not sure how much credit to give the ostarine. Going from a caloric deficit to a huge caloric surplus like that could have had a lot to do with the rapid muscle gain, I suppose. But the before and during cycle pics posted below definitely show a big increase in muscularity and leanness. The before pic is from about three weeks before the start of the cycle.


    5 WEEKS INTO OSTARINE CYCLE:
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    BEFORE OSTARINE CYCLE:
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    Hard to tell cause its only an arm but you do look more cut and the vascularity has definitely improved. What were your net size and strength gains?


    Edit: lol sorry I forgot I already asked about size, any strength gains?
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