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This is a discussion on Effervescent Creatinol-O-Phosphate within the Q & A with Patrick Arnold forums, part of the Supplements Discussion category; Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold i have not heard of creatine glycerol phosphate. Sounds like another creatine containing ingredient. COP ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i have not heard of creatine glycerol phosphate. Sounds like another creatine containing ingredient.

    COP is not creatine. it is not a derivative of creatine. It is a derivative of creatinol which is a completely different molecule

    do you have any scientific information on this CGP?

    This is all I could find unfortunately. Not very scientific I know.

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    I just was curious because the names sounded so similar. I'm not a scientist nor do I know the scientific validity of these claims, but I do notice that this stuff works slightly better than creatine mono. Was wondering if there were any similarities between it and COP.

    Also, I just ordered some CGP and 11 spray that I'm using for a short bulk, but more importantly strength gain and I'll post my revview on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRMORG18 View Post
    i know you mentioned the possibility of water weight PA, I'm wondering however, if it'd be worth it to use while cutting to help strength and even possibly gain lean muscle. minimal water weight, if any would be an easy sacrifice to make for gains.
    Do it. It definitely makes sense, especially since the COP will help you keep the weights heavy, which is crucial for maintaining your strength/muscle on a serious cut. I can't wait to start seeing some feedback on this ish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    cop is like d-aspartic acid. it is sour and does not dissolve. and in its free acid form it is more irritating to the tummy

    so no, i am not
    Is this product COP mixed with baking soda?

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    Does this COP help with memory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by enlightened one View Post
    Does this COP help with memory?
    Pat said earlier in the thread that he couldn't remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepunisher000 View Post
    pat said earlier in the thread that he couldn't remember.
    no you didn't!! Hahaha

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    I just wanted to add that this has a completely different mechanism of action than creatine. This is comparble to beta-alanine. It buffers by-products caused when exercising, or hydronium ions (laymans term is lactic acid).

    Creatine allows ATP to be replenished after it is used for anaroebic energy. It helps ADP return to ATP so you have greater anaroebic capacity.

    I didn't go to in depth here, since I am not sure if you guys really care.

    So they are actually very different, but I imagine they will work awesome together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    I just wanted to add that this has a completely different mechanism of action than creatine. This is comparble to beta-alanine. It buffers by-products caused when exercising, or hydronium ions (laymans term is lactic acid).

    Creatine allows ATP to be replenished after it is used for anaroebic energy. It helps ADP return to ATP so you have greater anaroebic capacity.

    I didn't go to in depth here, since I am not sure if you guys really care.

    So they are actually very different, but I imagine they will work awesome together.
    actually creatine buffers lactic acid also. and cop increases ATP too

    there are many proposed mechansims for COP and buffering lactic acid is just one
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    Quote Originally Posted by user376 View Post
    Is this product COP mixed with baking soda?

    it takes alot more than that to make an effervescent formula that is palatable and that does not fizz for five minutes. but everyone here is free to buy there own cop and baking soda and play formulator at home. then when you give up in frustration you can buy my stuff
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    Would it be better to stack this with Creatine or Beta Alanine ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    it takes alot more than that to make an effervescent formula that is palatable and that does not fizz for five minutes. but everyone here is free to buy there own cop and baking soda and play formulator at home. then when you give up in frustration you can buy my stuff
    lol haha

    does this need to be taken everyday or just on workout days? (dont think this has been asked)


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    Quote Originally Posted by droppeddasoap View Post
    lol haha

    does this need to be taken everyday or just on workout days? (dont think this has been asked)
    I'm thinking the protocol is ed. That's the way I'd use it anyway. Currently taking monohydrate on lifting days and CEE on non-lifting days. Starting to think the CEE don't do much. Using the COP instead would be a good way to phase it out.

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    BTW, I was hoping this was going to be dienolone powder. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabiscuit hogg View Post
    Starting to think the CEE don't do much. Using the COP instead would be a good way to phase it out.
    You are thinking right. Stick to regular creatine mono. CEE rapidly degreades to creatinine. It is useless.

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    Good for use as part of 11-KT pct? What about part of pct for PH/DS cycle with serm?
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    damn out of stock already when can i order

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    Lol it's bubbly as you drink it like champagne. I'll take 2 doses tomorrow, drank 2 scoops as soon as I opened it few minutes ago.

    Let you know the results in a week or so (unless it works faster).

    Nice touch capping the r-spray now. No leakage whatsoever.

    Any chance this can aggravate GERD? Or would this actually neutralize acids a bit as it went down?

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    One other thing, in your opinion how long after/before taking TF2 do you think i can take this without getting sick? like an hour or so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepunisher000 View Post
    Pat said earlier in the thread that he couldn't remember.
    BWAHAHAH!

    srsly. sounds liek a pretty awesome product. will bi when it's restockd

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcoen21 View Post
    Would it be better to stack this with Creatine or Beta Alanine ?

    beats me
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    Quote Originally Posted by droppeddasoap View Post
    lol haha

    does this need to be taken everyday or just on workout days? (dont think this has been asked)

    everyday makes alot more sense to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheYoungBlood View Post
    Good for use as part of 11-KT pct? What about part of pct for PH/DS cycle with serm?

    COP is not a PCT product guys. At least not anymore than say beta-alanine or CoQ10.

    Come on. Its a product you can take anytime. Its like y'all have this zombie like compulsions to ask the same questions with every product. "What can I stack this with" "Can I use it for PCT" "Do i need to take a SERM when i stop"
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekidduke View Post
    Lol it's bubbly as you drink it like champagne. I'll take 2 doses tomorrow, drank 2 scoops as soon as I opened it few minutes ago.

    Let you know the results in a week or so (unless it works faster).

    Nice touch capping the r-spray now. No leakage whatsoever.

    Any chance this can aggravate GERD? Or would this actually neutralize acids a bit as it went down?

    I cant see it aggravating GERD. IN fact the ingredients make this product an acid buffer to some extent
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekidduke View Post
    One other thing, in your opinion how long after/before taking TF2 do you think i can take this without getting sick? like an hour or so?

    i dunno, it all depends on the person

    its like asking how long after chugging a beer can i do a shot of tequila
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    COP is not a PCT product guys. At least not anymore than say beta-alanine or CoQ10.

    Come on. Its a product you can take anytime. Its like y'all have this zombie like compulsions to ask the same questions with every product. "What can I stack this with" "Can I use it for PCT" "Do i need to take a SERM when i stop"

    Did not mean to imply a question of it was a form of or part of PCT like TF2, serm, or AI.... My wording should have been different... Point taken. I saw this on another board and wanted to ask it here anyways.

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