Trenavar vs Trenbolone

1st post guys, I'm really impressed with the info you have here.

Trenavar is a new product so I'm having some problems coming up with some concrete information about it.

It's a prosteroid (or prohormone) to trenbolone but I haven't been able to find any information about its oral bioavailablity and conversion rate to trenbolone in vivo. Like, what mg dose of trenavar is equivalent to a given dose of trenbolone.

Second, what is trenavar's half life in vivo? It's not esterified, so is the half life dependent upon the metabolic conversion to trenbolone and then however long it takes the body to metabolize pure trenbolone? If that's true, I'm sure I can find the values somewhere. But given that it's not esterified and probably has a fairly short half life, and assuming perfect bioequivalence between trenavar and trenbolone, would 50mg of trenevar spread over the course of a day, every day, have the same effect as a 50mg injection of tren ace everyday?

I'm just trying to get a clear idea of what the difference between these two products are.

Finally, I would assume there would also be progesterone issues with trenavar since it is a prosteroid to tren. I have not seen this discussed anywhere and it may be my bad for not searching more carefully, but would Ritalin or Dexedrine be an acceptable alternative to Caber/Prami?

From my vantage point they do similar things. Ritalin and Dexedrine (and especially Dexedrine) raise dopamine levels either by acting as a reuptake inhibitor or a releasing agent. That's the fundamental point to their mechanism of action. I am not very familiar with Caber/Prami other than that they act as a direct dopamine agonist. I am prescribed Ritalin and Dexedrine and cycle them monthly, so from my vantage point, it would be easier to use one of those to help control prolactin. That being said, I don't want to go that way if it's not effective. I tend to dramatically lower my doses during the summer months when I'm out of class and sometimes stop all together. I would not want to run 2 dopaminergics concomitantly.

Thanks!

Dexedrine as in prescription speed??? Can you give me some more info on how this stuff could help control prolactin?

trenbolone does not have much progestational activity

as for your other questions, not much is know about the stuff so cant help ya

i would not try to bust your brain by figuring out exact equivalents to trenbolone cuz you will never figure out the answer.

I would think that the stuff should be taken 2-3 times a day though. i am not sure what doses are working for people, someone else can chime in on that

[QUOTE=jason267;1002397]Dexedrine as in prescription speed??? Can you give me some more info on how this stuff could help control prolactin?[/QUOTE]

Yea.

The short reason is because prolactin is a hormone and all hormones have some biological mechanism of feedback inhibition. Dopamine was originally (and sometimes still is) referred to is prolactin inhibiting hormone because... it inhibits prolactin.

The way it works:

Dexedrine is the brand name for dextroamphetamine sulfate. It is a dopamine releasing agent and reuptake inhibitor. There's a lot of fancy jargon to describe its specific mechanism of action and pharmacology, but at the end of the day it increases neural levels of dopamine. Caber/Prami are dopamine agonists. An agonist is any chemical cable of acting as a ligand for a specific receptor. In this case, that means Caber/Prami act as chemicals that bind to receptor sites in the PNS regions of the brain (and I believe very minimaly in the adrenal medulla as well). There are 5 dopamine receptors, D1-D5. Caber/Prami have affinities for both of them and that's about all I know about those drugs. Dextroamphetamine acts as a substrate at the monoamine transporter and rather than directly increasing dopamine concentrations by agonizing their respective receptors, it "traps" it in the synapse by blocking the Dopamine Transporter Protein and can actually reverse the transport process of various monoamines (ie, dopamine) by effectively "pumping" more dopamine in to the synapse, and thus, in to extracellular space.

The reason I asked the question to begin with is because I know the if the different mechanism of actions of the 2 classes of drugs, amphetamines (though Ritalin really isn't an 'amphetamine' and it's not a dopamine releasing agent) and the dopamine agonists means that the amphetamines will be an inferior or even an ineffective solution. But since tren doesn't have a lot of progestational activity, it doesn't appear to matter.

[QUOTE=Patrick Arnold;1002477]trenbolone does not have much progestational activity

as for your other questions, not much is know about the stuff so cant help ya

i would not try to bust your brain by figuring out exact equivalents to trenbolone cuz you will never figure out the answer.

I would think that the stuff should be taken 2-3 times a day though. i am not sure what doses are working for people, someone else can chime in on that[/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot for your input.

The big reason why the half life question is important is because you need to know that in order to best optimize when you start PCT. Since it isn't esterified, it will probably reach metabolic clearance long before something like Test E, but it would still be nice to know. These are our bodies we're playing with and I don't like putting things in them when I don't know exactly how they work, what they do, and if they have a proper safety record when used correctly.

My big question is whether there really any benefit at this point then in using trenavar, besides the fact that you aren't violating the law by purchasing and having possession of trenavar?

At it's current price point, at 300mg/week for an 8 week cycle would cost me about $70 less than real tren acetate. The legality is obviously important especially with the nature of my career, but I also don't want to spend ~$150 on a compound that isn't going to produce results. I have never used tren before so I wouldn't be able to compare this to tren directly.

I have used testosterone enanthate, epistane, superdrol, and eq before (obviously not all at the same time!). I always PCT and am mindful of when to start according to the half life of whatever compounds I take. My diet and training are very tight, my 6 pack is shining through against, and I'd like the tren to pick up some leaner gains for the summer (with a test base). I could use eq again, which was fine, but I don't like the way it tends to blow up your hematorcrit as compared to other compounds. I have no desire or need to raise my erythrocyte production and don't like running test by itself because of a seemingly chronic tendonitis I have developed in my shoulder. EQ, as well as other compounds significantly elevate procollagen III synthesis. Since test is so hard on collagen, I don't like running it solo. And I also don't run ridiculous cycles... A big cycle for me is 2 compounds, something like 250mg test E and 300mg EQ. And I don't like running compounds that are especially notorious for shutting you down, like Deca and Primo. I don't have to "get huge" by tomorrow! I do not compete in any pro or amateur level organized sports or body building competitions, unless d1cking around with your bros during the summer in the park or playing volleyball or some other sport with beautiful women counts. And it doesn't. Gear, pro-steroids/hormones, all that stuff, it should be an adjunct to proper training and diet, not a substitute.

I don't know a lot about Tren as far as collagen synthesis goes, but I have heard anecdotal that it has some sort of lubricating effect that makes it good on the joints. I also remember reading a study in the journal Endocrinology that said Tren was responsible for increased gene expression of FGF, which should stimulate collagen formation.

But anyways, I've written too much and need to get back to work. Given my goals, do you think Trenavar would help me achieve them? I could always run a different cycle, but I've heard that Tren is about as good as it gets when you want to change your body composition.

Thanks

[QUOTE=ebracer05;1002513]Thanks a lot for your input.

The big reason why the half life question is important is because you need to know that in order to best optimize when you start PCT. Since it isn't esterified, it will probably reach metabolic clearance long before something like Test E, but it would still be nice to know. s[/QUOTE]

i am pretty sure that within 24-48 hours of stopping trenavar the levels in your blood of the hormone and its metabolites should be below the threshold of biological significance. So i would begin PCT immediately

In the absence of in vivo studies on trendione, we'll probably have to see how well it works anecdotally. All we know that trendione is both a precursor and a metabolite of trenbolone. Which way the equilibrium lies when taking this stuff orally is anyone's guess. There have been threads here before trying to guess.

[QUOTE=Patrick Arnold;1002477]trenbolone does not have much progestational activity[/QUOTE]

Thank you.............used to have a lot of debates about that.

[QUOTE=Patrick Arnold;1002477]trenbolone does not have much progestational activity
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What about dienolone and diendione?

reps to op for good q's

[QUOTE=stunt_101;1002847]What about dienolone and diendione?[/QUOTE]

as far as i know dienolone has not been assayed for progestational activity as far as i know

my guess is that the 9,10 double bond diminishes the progestational activity compared to nandrolone

[QUOTE=Patrick Arnold;1003535]as far as i know dienolone has not been assayed for progestational activity as far as i know

my guess is that the 9,10 double bond diminishes the progestational activity compared to nandrolone[/QUOTE]

Thanks :)

[QUOTE=Patrick Arnold;1002477]

I would think that the stuff should be taken 2-3 times a day though. i am not sure what doses are working for people, someone else can chime in on that[/QUOTE]

I have been taking mine all at once in the mornings upon awaking. I like the stuff, doing 30/30/40/40/40 on week 6 at 40, and hope to buy more, so next time it may work better spreading it out and experimenting and seeing if it works better?

I have seen some nice results

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Irrelevant post and off topic, but if your dosing speed daily, I wouldn't count on making any serious gains.