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Posted 07 November 2008 - 08:55 PM

Crossposted from bb.com, originally written by RenegadeRows

High Blood Pressure

The use of anabolic steroids is known to cause high blood pressure readings during cycle and also for a period of time post-cycle. Below I have compiled information regarding HBP and hypertension.

What is it?

When the heart pumps blood into the arteries, the blood flows with a force pushing against the walls of the arteries. This force is called the blood pressure. When your blood pressure is measured, it is a measure of how hard the heart has to work to pump the blood. When the arteries become hardened and narrowed with cholesterol plaque (atherosclerosis) and calcium (arteriosclerosis), the heart has to strain much harder to pump blood through them.

This makes the blood pressure go abnormally high. High blood pressure is also called hypertension.

What makes high blood pressure important is that it usually causes no symptoms but can still cause serious complications.

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Blood pressure is measured with a blood pressure cuff and recorded as 2 numbers, such as 120/80 mm Hg (millimeters of mercury).

The top, larger number is called the systolic pressure. This is the pressure generated when the heart contracts (pumps). It reflects the pressure of the blood against arterial walls.

The bottom, smaller number is called the diastolic pressure. This reflects the pressure in the arteries while the heart is filling and resting between heartbeats.


What are the symptoms?

High blood pressure usually causes no symptoms. Even if high blood pressure does cause symptoms, the symptoms are usually mild and nonspecific (vague, or suggesting many different disorders). Thus, high blood pressure often is labeled "the silent killer." People who have high blood pressure typically don't know it until their blood pressure is measured.
Sometimes people with high blood pressure have the following symptoms:

Headache
Dizziness
Nose bleeds
Blurred vision
Nausea


What can we use to combat HBP/Hypertension ON cycle?

Other than supplements and herbs, it is thought to lower/watch dietary sodium intake will aid in lowering blood pressure.



Hawthorne Berries/Hawthorne Extract

*Look to buy only Standardized Extract
*Dosage is around 500-1000mg Per Day
*Pre-Load this herb for at least 1-3 Weeks Before a Cycle: Results are not immediate


Hawthorne is described in most modern herbals as a valuable treatment for various heart ailments and circulatory disorders, as well acting as a mild astringent to be used for treating sore throats. Hawthorne has most often been used to protect against the beginning stages of heart disease, for mild heart muscle weakness, for pressure & tightness of the chest, and for mild arrhythmia. It is also used as a tonic for an aging heart.



Celery Seed Extract

*Dosage is around 300-1200mg Per Day; depending on extract potency.
*Effects within 3-5 Days, No need to Pre-load.
*Do not consume seeds sold for planting (may be chemically treated).
*If you are taking celery seed for its diuretic properties, be aware that excessive use may deplete potassium levels.


These seeds are used to treat high blood pressure (hypotensive properties), nervousness and anxiety (limonene renders mild tranquilizing effects), muscle spasms (relaxes), and appetite (improves). Other chemicals in the seeds act as a diuretic, liver tonic (antioxidant properties), anti-inflammatory, and pain reliever. Celery seed may help prevent cancer (not substantiated).

Loss of Libido

Not performing in the bedroom can be one of the most psychologically hindering effects of using steroids.

There is little we can do when it comes to losing our libido when taking steroids. Because of our natural testosterone production being shut down during our cycle, the loss of libido that comes with some steroids is, at times, unavoidable.

There are, however some herbs that you may be able to try, safely, either while ON cycle or coming off of a cycle that may boost your sex drive and performance. Below are 3 Potent Aphrodisiacs. While there are many others on the market, I personally recommend the following three.

Fenugreek

*Dosage is around 3-6g Per Day

Fenugreek is a food and a spice commonly eaten in many parts of the world, and has been used for centuries by practitioners of Ayurvedic Herb medicine and Traditional Chinese Medicine. Research in the past two decades has shown that fenugreek seeds help balance blood sugar in diabetics. Fenugreek may also have beneficial effects on triglycerides.

MACA

*Dosage is around 300-500mg Per Day

Maca is a root that grows in the high mountains of Peru. Rich in nutritional content (potassium, and higher levels of calcium than in milk), maca is a natural hormonal balancer which provides great health benefits for both, men and women.

Due to its high nutritional value, maca is not only popular as a sexual libido enhancer and menopause symptoms savior, but also greatly affects energy, stamina, depression, memory, and more.

Maca is recommended for fertility problems, sterility, and other sexual disorders. However, in Peru maca has long been known as a potent APHRODISIAC. Research has proven maca to act on certain areas of the body that produce hormones and energizing substances, which enhance libido and increase virility.

Horny Goat Weed

Dosage is around 500-800mg Every Day

Horny Goat Weed is a traditional botanical medicine used in China and Japan. Although this herb (which also goes by the names Yin Yang Huo, Inyokaku, and Herba Epimedii) has a history of traditional use for health problems of the kidneys, joints, liver, back and knees, its principle use is as an aphrodisiac. According to one herbal author, Horny Goat Weed has testosterone-like effects. It stimulates sexual activity in both men and women, increases sperm production, stimulates the sensory nerves, and increases sexual desire.
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Posted 07 November 2008 - 08:58 PM

Lipid Levels/High Cholesterol

NHLBI, High Blood Cholesterol: What You Need to Know

Anabolic steroid use are shown to make your cholesterol and lipid levels unstable. Some more than others, there are ways to combat this.

What is Cholesterol?

Your blood cholesterol level has a lot to do with your chances of getting heart disease. High blood cholesterol is one of the major risk factors for heart disease. A risk factor is a condition that increases your chance of getting a disease. In fact, the higher your blood cholesterol level, the greater your risk for developing heart disease or having a heart attack. Heart disease is the number one killer of women and men in the United States. Each year, more than a million Americans have heart attacks, and about a half million people die from heart disease.


HDL? Triglycerides?

HDL (good) cholesterol protects against heart disease, so for HDL, higher numbers are better. A level less than 40 mg/dL is low and is considered a major risk factor because it increases your risk for developing heart disease. HDL levels of 60 mg/dL or more help to lower your risk for heart disease.

Triglycerides can also raise heart disease risk. Levels that are borderline high (150-199 mg/dL) or high (200 mg/dL or more) may need treatment in some people.


How can I keep my cholesterol levels in check ON cycle?

The number one way is to get them checked! Blood tests before, during and after a cycle.

Red Yeast Rice

*Perhaps the best herb when combating unstable lipids.
*Dosage is 1-1.5g Everyday
*Should be Preloaded 1-2 Weeks Prior to Cycle.


Red yeast rice is rice that has been fermented by the red yeast, Monascus purpureus. It has been used by the Chinese for many centuries as a food preservative, food colorant (it is responsible for the red color of Peking duck), spice, and ingredient in rice wine. Red yeast rice continues to be a dietary staple in China, Japan, and Asian communities in the United States, with an estimated average consumption of 14 to 55 grams of red yeast rice per day per person.

Red yeast rice also has been used in China for over 1,000 years for medicinal purposes. Red yeast rice was described in an ancient Chinese list of drugs as useful for improving blood circulation and for alleviating indigestion and diarrhea.

Recently, red yeast rice has been developed by Chinese and American scientists as a product to lower blood lipids, including cholesterol and triglycerides.


Coenzyme Q12/CoQ12

*Dosage is around 100mg-300mg Everyday

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) is a fat-soluble, vitamin-like substance in every human cell. It's involved in key biochemical reactions that produce energy in cells. It also acts as an antioxidant. CoQ10 is naturally present in a variety of foods. Organ meats such as heart, liver and kidney as well as in beef, soybean oil, sardines, mackerel and peanuts are particularly high in CoQ10.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:00 PM

Liver Protection

Using steroids that pass through the oral pathway (means they are swallowed) are very harsh on the liver. It is ABSOLUTELY NESSECARY to protect your liver with the following herbs, while using oral steroids.

There are products available that are forumlated to protect your liver. They come with the right amount of herbs and protects:

PrimaForce's PROLIVER
Anabolic Xtreme's PERFECT CYCLE


Milk Thistle

*Preloading is nessecary: 1-3 Weeks Before
*Dosage is around 500-1500mg Every Day
*Dose is spread out 2 or 3 times during the day
*You will want a high % silymarin: 60-80%


Milk thistle nutritionally supports the liver's ability to maintain normal liver function. It has shown positive effects in treating nearly every known form of liver disease, including cirrhosis, hepatitis, necroses, and liver damage due to drug and alcohol abuse. Milk thistle works due to its ability to inhibit the factors responsible for liver damage, coupled with the fact it stimulates production of new liver cells to replace old damaged ones.

Milk thistle has been proven to protect the liver from damage. The detrimental effects of environmental toxins, alcohol, drugs and chemotherapy may be countered with this valuable herb. The active chemical component in the herb is silybin, which functions as an antioxidant and is one of the most potent liver protective agents known. Clinical trials have proven silybin to be effective in treating chronic liver diseases and in protecting the liver from toxic chemicals.

N-Acetyl-Cysteine/NAC

*Dosage is around 700-1200mg Every day
*Preloading is not necessary, but will help.

NAC helps the body synthesize glutathione, an important antioxidant. It is an altered form of the amino acid cysteine, which is commonly found in food and synthesized by the body. It is an extremely powerful antioxidant that aids in fighting liver damage and kidney damage.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:02 PM

Sore Joints

One side effect with using steroids is getting Sore Joints. There are supplements like Joint Support, Joint Command and others that help with the soreness. The following are popular and have worked for many people combating this problem.

Fish Oil

*Dosages: 3-8g of Fish Oil per day, spread out evenly throughtout the day


Glucosamine Sulfate

1,500 mg glucosamine
1,200 mg chondroitin sulfate


Glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate are substances found naturally in the body. Glucosamine is a form of amino sugar that is believed to play a role in cartilage formation and repair. Chondroitin sulfate is part of a large protein molecule (proteoglycan) that gives cartilage elasticity.

Past studies show that some people with mild to moderate osteoarthritis (OA) taking either glucosamine or chondroitin sulfate reported pain relief at a level similar to that of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as aspirin and ibuprofen. Some research indicates that the supplements might also slow cartilage damage in people with OA. Definitive results about the effects of these supplements are expected from an in-depth clinical study currently being conducted by the National Institutes of Health.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:03 PM

Hair Loss and Thinning

An unfortunate androgenic side effect from steroid use is hair loss or thinning.

For those who are prone to male pattern baldness, running a compound that is highly androgenic can have negative effects on the hairline. Here is what you can do to prevent this.

A Great Source of Information regarding Hair Loss Prevention:
http://anabolicminds...prevention.html

Proscar/Propecia/finasteride

*Prescription Only*
*Not intended for use by women
*Can be taken with or without food.
*Dose is 1-3mg everyday


Proscar prevents the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in the body. DHT is involved in the development of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) and hair loss. Proscar is used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (enlarged prostate). Finasteride is also used to reduce hair loss due to male pattern baldness.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:05 PM

Prostate Pain

Messing with your prostate is no joke! And you can get an enlarged prostate from using steroidal compounds.



What are the symptoms of an enlarged prostate?

The symptoms can range from difficulty urinating (dribbling), frequent urination, painful urination, lower abdominal pain, and pain between the groin and anus.



How do I treat this?

*Urinate when you first get the urge. Also, go to the bathroom when you have the chance, even if you don't feel a need to urinate.

*Avoid alcohol and caffeine, especially after dinner.

*Don't drink a lot of fluid all at once. Spread out fluids throughout the day. Avoid drinking fluids within 2 hours of bedtime.

*Try NOT to take over-the-counter cold and sinus medications that contain decongestants or antihistamines. These medications can increase BPH symptoms.

Saw Palmetto

*Dosage is around 300-500mg Everyday
*Look for fat-soluble saw palmetto extract with 85-95% fatty acids and sterols.


Originally used by Native Americans as a remedy for urinary problems, saw palmetto (Serenoa repens) is now popular as an over-the-counter supplement for prostate health. And for good reason. Evidence is building that this herb—extracted from the dark purple berries of the American saw palmetto plant—may help treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), the fancy name for an enlarged prostate gland. In Germany, Austria, Italy, and other European countries, saw palmetto is an accepted medical treatment for BPH.

Beta Sitosterol

Daily dosage: Between 60 (20 mg three times per day) and 130 mg per day have been used in trials reporting a reduction in prostatic hyperplasia-related symptoms.

Beta-sitosterol is one of a group of organic compounds found in plants that, alone and in combination with similar plant sterols, reduces blood levels of cholesterol.

The reduction of cholesterol levels appears to be because beta-sitosterol blocks absorption of cholesterol.4 It has also been effective in reducing symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:06 PM

Oily Skin

One of the least serious side effects, in my opinion, is getting oily skin.

Oily skin occurs when the glands produce more oil than is needed for proper lubrication of the skin.

How do I treat it?

Luckily (some would say!), bodybuilders are not the only people who have problems with oily skin. The industry is a multi-million dollar one, mostly kept alive by adolescents. We have a plethora of knowledge at our fingertips.

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Simply washing your face and body with girly soaps and products will help a great deal. Also, taking in a multivitamin everyday will help.

Vitamins!
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400 I.U Vitamin E
400 Mg.Vitamin C
Vitamin B-5 (Helps with Acne)
Vitamin B-3 (Niacin - helps promote skin care)
Green Tea - Approx. 500-1000mg of ECGC


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*Use an oil-free moisturizer
*Choose products containing alpha-hydroxy acids, which remove dead cells and give skin a smoother appearance.
*Add chamomile, lavender oil or dried herbs such as rosemary, parsley or thyme to steaming water.
*Keep your skin hydrated by drinking at least eight glasses of water a day.
*Reduce fats and oils in your diet. Increase your intake of fresh vegetables, fruits and whole grains.
*Watch your sun exposure. Although the sun may seem to dry your skin, too much heat actually stimulates the production of more oil.



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Posted 07 November 2008 - 09:09 PM

Good posts man.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 11:21 PM

Good thread!
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Posted 12 November 2008 - 03:15 PM

Great post!

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 11:28 AM

great thread man.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 12:49 PM

great thread man.


good thread... but may want to note that excess fenugreek can increase prolactin.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 11:28 PM

i love this thread, i think it would help alot of people if we got some cycle assist ingredients up on here. That way we know what cycle assist is gonna have a good amount of the ones we need to focus on, like for me, CoQ10 and Red yeast rice and milk thistle. I'll look up some things and see what i can find.

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Posted 04 January 2009 - 11:32 PM

this is the cycle assist that i'm about to start taking, made by competitive edge labs

240 Capsules
Serving Size4Capsule
Servings Per Container60
Amount Per Serving DV

-Acetyl L-Cysteine 750mg **
Milk Thistle(Stnadardized To 80% Silymarin) 500mg **
Pantothenic Acid(Vitamin B5) 500mg 5,000%
Hawthorn Berry Extract
(Standardized To 1.8% Vitexin) 450mg **
Saw Palmetto Extract
(Standardized To 45% Fatty Acids) 160mg **
Celery Seed Extract(10:1) 75mg **
Grape Seed Extract(95% Proanthocyanidins) 75mg **
Vitamin B6(Pyridoxine HCL) 50mg 2,500%
Policosanol 20mg **
Zinc Gluconate 15mg 100%
** Percent Daily Values not established
Other Ingredients
Magnesium Stearate

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 12:40 PM

All these substances may have their purpose and function, BUT: not one of them would make a cycle "safe", as implied in the title.


The most problematic issue is arterial hypertension. Hawthorn/celery seed etc. might be of help, but they don't necessarily need to!

If you wanna be "on the safe side", then you would need to closely measure your blood pressure on a daily basis, and in case it starts to incresingly exceed the normal range, you'll have no other choice than to abort your cycle and to stop taking the drug that caused the increase of blood pressure.

Those people who believe that because they are taking hawthorn and celery seed exctract, they are "safe", are making a big mistake. You are only safe when you monitor your bp!

And that was only one example. I could go on and on. People need to understand that taking steroids / PHs isn't safe at all! It's a risk and will always be a risky and an experimental procedure. and worst thing is that many people aren't aware of the risks they are taking. The risk can be a bit modified /lessened with some other supps (as mentioned above), but it cannot be eliminated!!!

Edited by Dr.PX, 11 January 2009 - 12:43 PM.


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Posted 04 May 2009 - 10:04 PM

All these substances may have their purpose and function, BUT: not one of them would make a cycle "safe", as implied in the title.


The most problematic issue is arterial hypertension. Hawthorn/celery seed etc. might be of help, but they don't necessarily need to!

If you wanna be "on the safe side", then you would need to closely measure your blood pressure on a daily basis, and in case it starts to incresingly exceed the normal range, you'll have no other choice than to abort your cycle and to stop taking the drug that caused the increase of blood pressure.

Those people who believe that because they are taking hawthorn and celery seed exctract, they are "safe", are making a big mistake. You are only safe when you monitor your bp!

And that was only one example. I could go on and on. People need to understand that taking steroids / PHs isn't safe at all! It's a risk and will always be a risky and an experimental procedure. and worst thing is that many people aren't aware of the risks they are taking. The risk can be a bit modified /lessened with some other supps (as mentioned above), but it cannot be eliminated!!!


So this may be my first post so I hope to not get flamed too much for it but I would think the title was clear because it really says "manage risk" not stop it. I didn't get the impression from reading this that I would magically be safe, per say, but rather these are measures I could take to try to mitigate possible side effects. But then again, I already knew it couldn't be 100% safe as you do, so maybe the less informed would be confused...I would hope they see these posts then! :)

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 03:50 AM

Great info

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 09:32 PM

All noobs should be directed to this...would save alot of repeat questions on the forums. Great Thread

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 03:55 PM

Great thread! Will be using for reference.

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Posted 16 January 2010 - 04:36 PM

Hair Loss and Thinning

An unfortunate androgenic side effect from steroid use is hair loss or thinning.

For those who are prone to male pattern baldness, running a compound that is highly androgenic can have negative effects on the hairline. Here is what you can do to prevent this.

A Great Source of Information regarding Hair Loss Prevention:
Hair Loss Prevention - Anabolicminds.com

Proscar/Propecia/finasteride


Proscar prevents the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in the body. DHT is involved in the development of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) and hair loss. Proscar is used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (enlarged prostate). Finasteride is also used to reduce hair loss due to male pattern baldness.



most ph/ds finasteride has no effect.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 03:30 PM

Thanks for all the info. But i have a question how does an androgel user use something like boladrol? how should it be used? stop the androgel then start back up after boladrol is complete? and what about pct. any info would be greatfull.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 12:13 AM

Thanks for all the info. But i have a question how does an androgel user use something like boladrol? how should it be used? stop the androgel then start back up after boladrol is complete? and what about pct. any info would be greatfull.

Just keep on taking the Androgel during and after. You won't have to worry about PCT if you are on TRT.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 09:34 AM

Great info! I will surely use as reference and link in other threads. Thanks!
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Posted 05 December 2010 - 09:59 AM

good thread / good info....repped

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 09:59 AM

actually....ur bannned & not reppable lol




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