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#26 Chuck89

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:38 AM

Btw real myostatin inhibition is not as good as It sound
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#27 Chuck89

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:44 AM

This is a free country, you're free to believe what you want and spend your money where you want. Go ahead and buy some expensive cacao extract if It makes you feel better.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:06 AM

Btw real myostatin inhibition is not as good as It sound
http://www.ergo-log....tintendons.html



Myostatin inhibition will put more strain on tendons which is why in a future bodybuilders arsenal it would be utilized in short blasts.
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Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:42 AM

This is a free country, you're free to believe what you want and spend your money where you want. Go ahead and buy some expensive cacao extract if It makes you feel better.

pretty much what it is

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:45 AM

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#31 Right Hook

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:02 AM

Who knows how this will turn out, but there have been other good products based less science. There are human and mouse studies and lots of anecdotal positive feedback. Like I said ill see for myself, but here are some studies.
Effects of (-)-epicatechin on molecular modul... [J Nutr Biochem. 2014] - PubMed - NCBI
(-)-Epicatechin maintains endurance training adaptat... [FASEB J. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI
(-)-Epicatechin enhances fatigue resistance and ox... [J Physiol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
Dietary epicatechin promotes survival of obese diabet... [J Nutr. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
Stimulatory effects of the flavanol (... [J Cardiovasc Pharmacol. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI



"Lots of human and mouse studies..."

All the studies you posted were in mice or in vitro. The one that isn't is the only one that has anything to do with myostatin - Gutierrez-Salmean G, et al. And that study was 7 days long, with no control group, in elderly people, which measured grip strength, and it only altered the SERUM Follistatin/myostatin RATIO. All of that is neat but far from applicable. Unless of course your 70 years old and looking to increase your grip strength. In which case you should just try training your grip for 7 days without supplementation and the results will be the same.

If you really believe epicatechin is going to make you bigger for $60 a month then you're likely better off buying the Biotivia product. Which at least tells you how much epicatechin you're getting and what % extract they are using.

Finally myostatin is a negative regulator of muscle mass. Meaning the more muscle you have the more myostatin you produce. Myostatin serum levels are not necessarily telling of skeletal muscle myostatin (it could very well have an inverse relationship).

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:20 AM

Very informative, went ahead and bought 4 bottles :steroidsbad:
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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:21 AM

Ha I was talking about epicatechin on cycle years ago.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:05 AM

Btw real myostatin inhibition is not as good as It sound
Myostatin blockers destroy tendons



Did you read that? That was with myostatin inhibited 100%! Follidrone may slightly inhibit it, but I don't believe that's where most of the effects are coming from. Just think about testosterone..if you were at 600 ng/dl and and took something that "inhibited" it down to 500 ng/dl, then there wouldn't be much of a difference. Then try dropping testosterone down to zero, and see if you don't have some bad effects. That was a very bad example. You can say the same for anything. Too much cortisol is bad. Attenuated a bit, might be beneficial, but take cortisol down to zero and you are screwed.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 11:35 PM

Myostatin inhibition will put more strain on tendons which is why in a future bodybuilders arsenal it would be utilized in short blasts.


As long you're predicting the future where do you see hoverboards at in 10 years because I'm hoping we have em

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 11:01 AM

[quote name='anabolix'][quote name='Right Hook']Thx for your guarantee.




Where's my guarantee lol? I don't guarantee crap haha! All im guaranteeing is that I will be trying it next week, and will see how I like it.:-) I believe BLR is a standup company l.[/QUOTE]

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 11:04 AM

Myostatin inhibition will put more strain on tendons which is why in a future bodybuilders arsenal it would be utilized in short blasts.


gh and anabolic steroids both work in part by lowering myostatin

i just thought i would remind you all of this, so u all see things arent so simple

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#38 Chuck89

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 11:05 AM

[quote name='Patrick Arnold'][quote name='anabolix']

and your a bend over consumer[/QUOTE]

Oh snap!

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 11:24 AM

Good stuff in here. I'm glad to not see so much nut-hugging like over at AM.
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Posted 03 May 2014 - 12:01 PM

gh and anabolic steroids both work in part by lowering myostatin

i just thought i would remind you all of this, so u all see things arent so simple


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#41 anabolix

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 03:58 PM

[quote name='Patrick Arnold'][quote name='anabolix']

and your a bend over consumer[/QUOTE]


I'll have to disagree with you there big guy! No ones bending me over, but thanks for the offer...lol

#42 poopypants

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 04:44 PM

So Antaeus Labs loses your respect and business?


Which of their products is a myostatin inhibitor?
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Posted 03 May 2014 - 04:49 PM

Which of their products is a myostatin inhibitor?



was also wondering this

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 04:59 PM

[quote name='anabolix'][quote name='Right Hook']Thx for your guarantee.




Where's my guarantee lol? I don't guarantee crap haha! All im guaranteeing is that I will be trying it next week, and will see how I like it.:-) I believe BLR is a standup company and I tend to trust them more than most. EGCG has lots of health benefits and when extracted specifically for (-) catechin, sounds like good stuff. I could care less about you poopooing it...ill see for myself shortly. :-) I liked your word play scenario though lol.[/QUOTE]


Word play scenario? You don't know comedy gold when you hear it? Poor poor child... my teenage years were the best with the Jim Carrey movies and snl line of spin offs...

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#45 kins38

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 05:33 PM

You guys realize all the quotes are screwed up?

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 05:36 PM

The stuff seems to have lots of studies and logs that back it up. It isn't just egcg green tea extract either. There really seems to be something to it, but time will tell.


You must be joking.

And the loggers are all running double the dose with another tongkat and boron supplement. In other words none of the logs reflect what you will actually get in one bottle.


I have quite a bit of experience with TKA and boron, and I can guarantee that isn't causing the majority of the strength, pump or endurance results. Two pills a day isn't a double dose is it? They say to take one to two pills a day. BLR is a standup company that I tend to trust more than most, and have no reason to doubt their claims. I will be getting my follidrone next week, so we'll see.


You guys realize all the quotes are screwed up?



There we go.

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 05:38 PM

I have quite a bit of experience with TKA and boron, and I can guarantee that isn't causing the majority of the strength, pump or endurance results. Two pills a day isn't a double dose is it? They say to take one to two pills a day. BLR is a standup company that I tend to trust more than most, and have no reason to doubt their claims. I will be getting my follidrone next week, so we'll see.



and your a bend over consumer


There we go.

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 05:39 PM

Just putting things in proper order.

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 08:43 PM

[quote name='poopypants'][quote name='anabolix']


Word play scenario? You don't know comedy gold when you hear it? Poor poor child... my teenage years were the best with the Jim Carrey movies and snl line of spin offs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5dpBpaFiMo[/QUOTE]




Poor poor child? I am your elder by quite a few years:-). And yes JIM CAREY is funny!

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 09:55 PM

Which of their products is a myostatin inhibitor?


was also wondering this


Thunderbolt. In addition to being an excellant preworkout pump product there is also supposed to be myostatin inhibition to go with it. Check the product write up





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