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Posted 18 October 2014 - 02:47 PM

UDDATE: DAY 9

I weighed myself before my workout this morning, and I was shocked to see that I have LOST 2lbs. (174lbs)

SO, I decided to take some measurements. 
My arms have grown 1". They were 14" 1 month ago. Now they are both 15".

The right bicep was a little smaller, so I pinned a little more oil in it.

They measure the same, but the left still looks fuller. (Maybe it's just me.)

My calves have grown .5". They were 13" 1 month ago, and now they are 13.5".

The left one is just a touch smaller. Syntherol will fix that.

 

I went to 1ml in 2 different sites in each bicep today, for a total of 4ml.

They are tender, but it's not too bad. I massage them pretty much all day.

It's really nice to see these kind of gains.

I knew I was noticing a difference in the mirror, but I have been focusing too much on the weight. 
I am fine with getting bigger and staying the same weight.

I just want to look better to have more confidence. 
I have never had a problem getting hot girls, I just don't like looking fat and out of shape.

It affects my personality.

Anyway, I'm pretty excited about the gains I've made so far, and it's really early in the cycle!



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Posted 18 October 2014 - 08:08 PM

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 12:22 PM

UPDATE: Day 11

 

So, everything is still going great. I am up 2lbs, and definitely getting leaner. Looks like a nice recomp so far.

I still have yet to experience any sides. 



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:16 PM

damn man you dipped out on us fast. Log was just gettin good. The forums aren't nearly as active as they use to be.


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:30 PM

I'm not out yet dude. Like I said, I have just been getting a lot more help on another forum. I'm always checking this thread though. If the thread stays fairly active, I will continue. We'll see what happens.

I'm in it for the long haul either way.

 

Felling fantastic today BTW!

Just had the best sex I've had in years! I should have done this A LONG time ago! LOL!



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:33 PM

I would attribute that to the trest ace thats what its been doing to me I'm at 100mg/day on day 5. You said you been getting alot of help on a different forum what have you been needing help with having questions about? I don't remember you needing help/asking for it, I could have missed it. Help is always here



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:35 PM

I revised my cycle a bit if you are interested in taking a look.

I'll post it here, but it is also on the original post. I wasn't going to mess with it, because the thread seemed dead.

Good to know someone is still toughing it out with me!

 


 



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:43 PM

well from what I see every looks good except I'm not sure why your tapering down test cyp then going right back up and to an even higher dose than when you started? I've never seen that before. Personally and probably best to pick one dose and stick to it or taper up to a dose and run at that higher dose. Seems like a roller coster of ups and downs assuming the trest helps even it that out. IDK enough about trest to make a solid answer on it but thats just my guess. Trest is significantly stronger than testosterone BUT its important to know and remember that when using trestolone the body prefers to use that over testosterone. I recently read that doing some late night reading. Thats not to say the two can't be run together but what I've read is that the body for some reason prefers trestolone over testosterone, why that is i don't know and i don't think anyone knows at this point. If i can find it again i'll link it if not i'm sure you'll find it as i remember you saying you like to read endlessly like I do. 

 

I can't comment on your IGF-1 LR3 as i've never run it just researched it. Looks okay to me based on what I've read, thats all I ca offer o that. Your armidex looks good would't chage it until you feel you need to.

 

Dianadrol I also haven't run but it looks like the basic run I've seen others do should be fine.


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 10:11 PM

I would attribute that to the trest ace thats what its been doing to me I'm at 100mg/day on day 5. You said you been getting alot of help on a different forum what have you been needing help with having questions about? I don't remember you needing help/asking for it, I could have missed it. Help is always here

 

I've been hanging out at the forum where I got my IGF, and for some reason I have just established a pretty constant communication over there. The guys over there just seem to be a little more interested.

I am pretty new to all of this, so I actually had a lot of questions during my first week.

I am getting settled in a little better now though.

 

I am still a little confused with the Arimidex.
I am under the impression that it is something that you make changes with according to signs of rising estrogen.
So far, I have not had any. I actually started at .5mg/ED for the first week.
I then lowered the dose to .5mg/EOD for this week. I was considering going to .25EOD.
I mentioned this on another forum, and I got flammed for it. Am I wrong?
Maybe I shouldn't go any lower than .5mg/EOD?
I mean, I also have Nolvadex and HCG on hand just in case. So does that not make sense?
 
They also gave me some greif for running Trest with Test.
I have read that running a TRT dose of test with trest will help to maintain libido, and counter some sides, so I'm not sure about that.
 
They also said that the amount of compounds I am running is stupid. I mean, it's really not that much.
Trest-Ace, and Trest-Deca are the same compound but with different esters.
I have read a little more about running long esters with short esters, and it seems to be fine if they are cycled properly.
I think I understand this, but I could be wrong.
Either way, the doses are still considerably low so that I can see how it goes. I can always work my way up.
I am actually planning on running this for 12-16 weeks, so I have PLENTY of time to sort that out.
 
I'm not giving up the IGF! It is by far my favorite out of everything! I freaking LOVE it!
I actually started with the first dose of 400mcg.
I have worked down from there to find the lowest dose possible, and I have came up with 30mcg bilaterally.
It causes muscle growth at the injection site almost immediately! It also has many other benefits, and it is not an AAS.
I have spoken to guys that have ran it for as long as 2 years non-stop.
It may not blow you up like AAS, but I believe that it definitely adds quality muscle without a doubt!
I also feel that it has a lot to do with why I feel so good.
 
I also wanted to run 1 oral, and I do not think that is crazy either.
Ddrol is much milder than many other compounds available, and so far, it has been great!
I am really getting that nice "euphoria" that everyone talks about.
It's not a druggy opiate euphoia, but it is just a "I feel happy" feeling.
I can really feel it when I am talking to someone. It makes me more friendly.
Sure, I'm gonna switch over to the Diabolix when it arrives, but they are essentially the same compound.
Diabolix has the Hydrozone which, from what I've read, will make it a little more efficient due to it being broken down more effectively by stomach acids.
 
Sorry for the rant, but I got a little upset by the comments at the other forum. I'd rather not name it. I'm not trying to start anything. I didn't say much to them, because out of respect, I did not want to jack the thread.
 
Anyway, I am totally open to suggestions as far as my cycle goes. I need all of the advice I can get.
I know this is some serious stuff, and I want to go about it in the safest manner possible.
On the other hand, I am not afraid to take a few risk to change my body.
I have been very unhappy with myself for far too long, and It's time for a change!
I like to think that I am a humble man, and I am always open to critique in every area of my life.
That is how we grow to become better men!


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 10:14 PM

well from what I see every looks good except I'm not sure why your tapering down test cyp then going right back up and to an even higher dose than when you started? I've never seen that before. Personally and probably best to pick one dose and stick to it or taper up to a dose and run at that higher dose. Seems like a roller coster of ups and downs assuming the trest helps even it that out. IDK enough about trest to make a solid answer on it but thats just my guess. Trest is significantly stronger than testosterone BUT its important to know and remember that when using trestolone the body prefers to use that over testosterone. I recently read that doing some late night reading. Thats not to say the two can't be run together but what I've read is that the body for some reason prefers trestolone over testosterone, why that is i don't know and i don't think anyone knows at this point. If i can find it again i'll link it if not i'm sure you'll find it as i remember you saying you like to read endlessly like I do. 

 

I can't comment on your IGF-1 LR3 as i've never run it just researched it. Looks okay to me based on what I've read, thats all I ca offer o that. Your armidex looks good would't chage it until you feel you need to.

 

Dianadrol I also haven't run but it looks like the basic run I've seen others do should be fine.

 

 

 

The test is like that because I was tapering it up and the Trest out. The cycle actually continues to 16 weeks. That is just all I can fit in one image for right now. 



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 10:22 PM

The test is like that because I was tapering it up and the Trest out. The cycle actually continues to 16 weeks. That is just all I can fit in one image for right now. 

ah okay that makes sense now.  I'll have to reply to your above post tomorrow in more detail. i gotta crash here soon but what those guys said on the other forum is kinda bullshit. your not running high doses or too much of anything you got a solid cycle going. Its rare for a first cycle but you've done your research. I'll have more tomorrow


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 10:13 AM

UPDATE: DAY 12

I can't remember if I told you guys or not, but I started Jim Stoppani's Shortcut to Size training program on Monday 20th.
It seems like a pretty good program considering I have never actually followed someone else's program before. 
It really isn't that different than what I am used to, but some of the exercises are different. 
Honestly, I feel like I am able to put more focus on the specific muscle with some of the exercises I am used to. I may make a few minor changes, but overall I like it.

Here is an example of my Chest/Tricep workout:

4 Sets of everything / 12-15 Reps / Last set employs "Rest Pause" (Last set to failure/rest 10-15sec/To failure again)

Flat Bench 
Incline Barbell
Incline Dumbell Fly
Cable Crossover
Tricep Pushdown
Lying tricep Extension
Cable Extension (Rope)
Seated Calf Raise

I usually do more than this, but the "Rest-Pause" really wears me out. It was an intense workout. 
The only thing is I worry a bit about people thinking I'm on somethig, because I sweat like a pig! 

I have been noticing my core temp is higher than normal. 
My girlfriend and I are trying to work things out, so that meant make up sex.

I don't want to get into specifics, but WOW! 
I had read that Trest can decrease sperm count, but from what I can tell, it has increased, A LOT!

I have also noticed that my appetite has increased!

This is huge for me, because I usually have a hard time eating.

I am able to eat almost twice as much as usual! 
My diet is still extremely clean. 
I am trying to increase my carbs.

It has been a bit of a challenge, because lowering carbs over the last couple years was a huge contribution to the 25lbs that I lost.

So, everything is going great. 
I am still making minor adjustments to my cycle. That will probably be on-going for another week. 
I don't really see any reason to remove anything unless I start to experience some major sides. 
I can deal with the increased core temp. I'm sure that is contributing to the weight that I am losing.

This is probably getting old, but here is new newest revision.

 

The Trest-Ace for Week 2 says 75mg/EOD, but it is actually; 75/75/25/25.

I know it needs to be consistent, but I decided to keep it a little lower.

That will put me @ 250mg/Week of Trest. I do not think that is overkill.

 

 




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Posted 21 October 2014 - 11:48 AM

Okay, some of you guys may not be extremely familiar with Trestolone.

So, I thought I would post this to clear a few things up.
Because of this article and a few others, I am considering dropping the Test Cyp completely.

Trestolone (Ment) Explained
by Mike Arnold


Trestolone ace, more popularly known as Ment, has developed quite a reputation over the last several years for being an exceedingly potent steroid. Combined with its initial long-term absence from the market, its current limited availability, and a market nearly devoid of high quality clones, its allure among steroid users has been further increased, taking on an almost super-drug status similar to what we saw when the now defunct Parabolan ceased production.

However, unlike most of the AAS which have hit the market in the last several years, Ment does not owe its popularity to enterprising OTC supplement companies or blackmarket dealers, but to legitimate medical research which has made its way into the BB’ing community. Ment was originally developed in the 1960’s, but recent interest has been generated by both the Population Council and the research-based pharmaceutical company Schering, due to their extensive investigation into Ment for the purposes of male birth control and hormone replacement therapy. This has resulted in some impressive findings, leading to the discovery of a steroid displaying a unique embodiment of traits, which are ideally suited to the muscle building process.

Belonging to the 19-nor family of steroids, Ment is more properly known as 7-alpha-methyl-nortestosterone, yet despite its close association to this class of steroids, Ment displays several characteristics more commonly attributed to Testosterone. Nowhere is this more evident than in the area of male sexual functioning. Anyone who has been around the steroid subculture long enough is aware that the 19-nor family of drugs is notorious for causing sexual dysfunction in males. Side effects such as low libido and/or the inability to obtain an erection characterize the use of steroids like Nandrolone or Trenbolone and led to the coining of terms such as “Deca-dick” and “Tren-dick”. While the humor inherent in such language is apparent, those who suffer with these self-inflicted maladies generally don’t find it a laughing matter.

This is where Ment differs. In fact, Ment is the only steroid in production today that is capable of sustaining normal male physiology in the complete absence of testosterone, including sexual functioning. This is one of the vital traits which has qualified Ment for consideration as a male contraceptive and hormone replacement therapy, as sexual dysfunction would be an unacceptable side effect in users seeking medical treatment for these reasons.

With regard to cycle set-up, the inclusion of Ment allows for the revision of one of its most basic tenants, which traditionally says that testosterone should be included in every cycle. Although I personally do not agree with that philosophy in all cases, there are many good reasons why Testosterone should generally be included in one’s cycle. However, Ment changes all that, making the inclusion of Testosterone optional and not a necessity. All the side effects which normally present themselves in a state of Testosterone deficiency are absent when Ment is employed. This is a big advantage unique to Ment alone and which enables an AASA user to think outside the box when designing his/her cycle.

Ment demonstrates a strong binding affinity for the AR receptor, being greater than that of Testosterone and even Nandrolone. Like Testosterone, it also has the ability to aromatize, making the concomitant use of an AI desirable in times of estrogen excess. As most AAS users are aware and which recent research confirms, estrogen plays a role in the muscle growth process both directly and indirectly, which is part of the reason why aromatizable steroids often impart superior mass gains compared to their non-aromatizing counterparts. So, while aromatization is beneficial in part, it can quickly be turned into a negative quality if not properly managed, resulting in side effects such as: gynecomastia, water retention, heightened blood pressure, increased HPTA suppression, mood swings, and the accumulation of additional bodyfat.

Other defining characteristics of Ment include a lack of DHT conversion and like most injectable preparations, Ment is also non-hepatotoxic in nature. In addition, Ment does not bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), increasing the potency of this drug considerably. When administering drugs such as testosterone, over 95% of the injected steroid ultimately ends up either attaching to SHBG, converting to DHT, or aromatizing into estrogen, leaving only a small amount of the original dose left for muscle building functions. Once a hormone attaches to the protein SHBG, it remains bound (in most cases) for the entire life of the steroid, rendering it completely useless. AAS which avoid SHBG binding allow a significantly greater percentage of the injected drug to reach its intended target at the androgen receptor and initiate the muscle growth process.

When determining Ment’s suitability as a prescription medication for male contraception or HRT, its effect on the prostate is of critical importance. This make or break factor was evaluated right from the start, with promising results. Research shows that Ment has a lesser effect on the prostate compared to testosterone per effective dose, reducing the potential risk of prostate issues in older men receiving treatment for HRT or otherwise. While younger users typically pay little heed to this aspect of their health, they may be glad they did later on down the road.

One area where Ment isn’t quite so friendly is that of HPTA suppression. Research shows that Ment is a full 12X as suppressive as Testosterone on a mg to mg basis. However, this side effect is deemed to be a necessary benefit when looking to develop this drug as a birth control medication. Any steroid used for birth control purposes requires an exceptionally high success rate at preventing pregnancy, and that will only come by way of significant suppression of spermatogenesis. In reality, most steroid users end up largely infertile by cycle’s end anyway, due to the number and quantity of AAS used.
Now let’s move onto the more exciting stuff; namely its ability to build muscle tissue. Most AAS users are primarily interested in one thing, which is…”How much muscle will this stuff really help me add?” While this question is impossible to answer, due to the numerous influential variables involved, we can look to both medical research and real-world experience to help provide us with a clearer picture of what to expect. The following quote is an excerpt taken from a study comparing the effects of Testosterone and Trestolone:

Study comparing Ment to Testosterone: “The ability of 7 alpha-methyl-19-nortestosterone acetate (MENT) to increase the weights of ventral prostate and seminal vesicles of castrated rats was four times higher than that of testosterone, while its effect on the weights of bulbocavernosus plus levator ani muscles (muscle), was 10 times that of testosterone.(Endocrinology. 1992 Jun;130(6):3677-83.)”
Referencing the paragraph above, we see that Ment delivers 10X the myotropic effect (muscle building) of testosterone, on a mg to mg basis. Based on these figures, this would make Ment more potent than any other non-toxic injectable currently sold on the market. I comparison to the exceedingly potent steroid Trenbolone, which is often used as a benchmark for potency, Ment outperforms it by a full 250%.

It is important to note that the results witnessed in this study were obtained by using primates as test subjects, so while it is likely that the results will translate pretty well to humans, there is no substitute for real-world human testing being conducted specifically for the purpose of performance enhancement. The overwhelming majority of our BB’ing knowledge, as it relates to the optimal application of PED for the purpose of muscle growths, was gained through the combined experience of generations of athletes. While quality versions of this steroid are scarce, enough individuals have experimented with this steroid at this point in time, for us to have a good idea of what to expect.

First of all, the BB’r should not expect to grow muscle at 10X the rate of Testosterone at an equivalent dose, but there is no doubt that one’s gains will measurably surpass what is attainable with an equal dose of Testosterone. Out of the few dozen people I have personally known who have used this steroid and based on the user experiences of others I am aware of, I would most aptly describe this steroid as a type of “super-testosterone”, in terms of results. Visually, the musculature tends to take on a similar appearance. This is not a great steroid for contest prep or achieving a hard & dry look, but if sheer bulk accompanied by some water retention is what you’re looking for, Ment will deliver. Like Testosterone, estrogen-induced water retention can be substantially reduced with the concurrent use of an AI, allowing a decently hard & dry appearance to manifest.

Even though Ment may behave similarly to Testosterone in terms of visual results & side effects, it is important to note that Ment’s ability to trigger these side effects at equivalent doses is much more exaggerated compared to testosterone. This is due largely to its increased androgenic potency. According to use feedback, Ment also carries with it the risk of developing certain “tren-like” sides in some users, especially at higher dosages, although not all users have reported this.

As far as dosing is concerned, no definitive guidelines have yet been formed, although in my opinion it is likely that Ment will probably end up being dosed along the same lines as Trenbolone, with the average dose falling somewhere 200-500 mg per week. Of course, not all users will adhere to these guidelines, with some electing to administer a more hearty dosage. Overall, we are looking at a very potent steroid, both on paper and in the real-world, which is capable of eliciting serious gains in mass & strength over a relatively short period of time. As availability increases, look for this steroid to take up a more permanent residence in the arsenals of BB’rs and strength athletes alike.

Arnold, M. (2012, May 26). Trestolone (MENT) Explained. Retrieved October 21, 2014, from http://www.ironmagaz...ment-explained/



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 11:58 AM

I also wanted to post this brief review from a member of another forum that really seems to know his stuff. 
His thread is the most informative one I have found relating to the use of Trest/DTA/DTC/Dien
I have to give credit where credit is due, so here is the link to his thread.

http://anabolicminds...view-trest.html
I highly recommend checking it out if you have ANY interest in Pure Oils products.



1) Characteristics of Trest

First, a little back ground
http://www.ironmagaz....ent-explained/
http://www.ncbi.nlm....term=trestolone

There are a host of studies indicating the Trestolone (MENT) is a viable option in the medical/anti-agiing community. Basically, the studies summarize Trestolone as:

1) Extremely anabolic, roughly 2300:650 anabolic:androgenic ratio
2) Strong binding similar to Trenbolone, but behaves much like Testosterone
3) Although methylated, its hardly toxic
4) Converts to a methyl-estrogen quite readily
5) Half as hard on the prostate as Testosterone
6) Reports of elevated mood and libido 

Bodybuilding communities have labeled it wet Tren and have concluded that it is useful in all but contest prep

Recently I did an 8 week cycle of this stuff and ran it up to as high as 25mg/day. I wanted to assess its ability to replace Test in TRT. 25mg/day is a low-moderate dose and is hardly considered abusive. Rest assured, next time the dose will be upwards of 100mg/day.

2) Positives
I think its gonna be hard to capture all the positives in one sweep, so as I recognize things about Trest that were better than Test, I'll come back to it and update. Trestolone Acetate, while not naturally found in the body, seems to be everything the natural sex hormone Test should have been. I mean, the stuff is incredible even at a low dose, making it practical to use for long periods of time or in combination with TRT. As I've said before, this stuff *****s Tren in potency, yet without making you feel insane or like death. The anabolic nature is obvious yet at 25mg/day, all of its characteristics are considered "tame". You don't realize how good it is until you stop taking it and go back to Test or PCT. As a TRT replacement, I give it a thumbs up. But really, ya'll are wanting to know how it stacks up in the typical KPI's that we track with steroids. So here you go:

1) Strength - its better than Test, but perhaps not as prevalent as Tren. I have not taken 300mg/wk yet, so I bet the strength factor is pretty impressive at those doses.

2) Pumps feel like Tren, but with less hour to hour vascularity. What I mean by that is the vascularity seems to show more when working the muscle, not just all the time. 

3) Sex drive/mood - It *****s a high dose of Test and Masteron. I don't know that drug v. drug that anything else could compete. 

4) Stamina - Like EQ

5) Recovery - Like EQ/Test/Tren. It really shines the most in this area. I'd compare it to Msten/DMZ in this area.

6) Cutting ability - While its not best suited for this, if you control the estrogen, you'll easily cut with it and significant 
amounts in a short period of time. Remember, I only use 175mg/wk!

7) Bulking ability - Obviously in its most useful state here. High doses would likely deliver the best with the best results. More on this later when I review its bulking capability in the Decanoate ester and at higher doses. 

3) Negatives

Honestly, estrogen conversion is all. I mean, we need that estrogen conversion to mimic Test, but it does have that tricky methyl-estrogen to deal with. As long as an AI is used throughout, its ok. 

For the acetate, the daily IM doses. It sucks. It gets old. I hate it. Good thing its now in the Deconoate version, which at a low dose might be the nail in the coffin for Test in my TRT regimen. Granted, Trest Dec will be entirely different in a multitude of ways from the acetate version. 

4) Formabolic - Good for IM AAS or sissy designer use only?

5) Best practices for Formabolic

6) Best application of Form



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:38 PM

I see you found what I was talking about with trest. It really is some great stuff. 100mg/day like I'm doing is BEAST. Strength, recovery, size, appetite, libido, good mood is all through the roof. It's strong enough to notice daily changes some subtle some not so subtle. Test prop and test no ester are the only ones I'll run from now on on cycle the longer esters will be for cruising
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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:41 PM

Great log.  Following along.  My subject is in the 3rd week of running Trest Dec;300mg/wk, Trest Ace:350mg/wk, and Dien Ace 400mg/wk. My subject is just running the Trest Ace for 3 weeks until the Dec should be kicked in.  So far, feels very good.  Daily pinning isn't to bothersome at this point.  Effects were noitceable towards the end of week 1 with increased internal temp, decrease in sleep quality, increased libido, and towards the end of week 2 increases in strength and size.  This is supposed to be a 15-16 week run at which point I may just drop the Dien Ace and cruise on the Trest at 200-300mg/wk.  I am also on TRT Test Cyp 150mg/wk. 


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:48 PM

Great log.  Following along.  My subject is in the 3rd week of running Trest Dec;300mg/wk, Trest Ace:350mg/wk, and Dien Ace 400mg/wk. My subject is just running the Trest Ace for 3 weeks until the Dec should be kicked in.  So far, feels very good.  Daily pinning isn't to bothersome at this point.  Effects were noitceable towards the end of week 1 with increased internal temp, decrease in sleep quality, increased libido, and towards the end of week 2 increases in strength and size.  This is supposed to be a 15-16 week run at which point I may just drop the Dien Ace and cruise on the Trest at 200-300mg/wk.  I am also on TRT Test Cyp 150mg/wk.

Great log.  Following along.  My subject is in the 3rd week of running Trest Dec;300mg/wk, Trest Ace:350mg/wk, and Dien Ace 400mg/wk. My subject is just running the Trest Ace for 3 weeks until the Dec should be kicked in.  So far, feels very good.  Daily pinning isn't to bothersome at this point.  Effects were noitceable towards the end of week 1 with increased internal temp, decrease in sleep quality, increased libido, and towards the end of week 2 increases in strength and size.  This is supposed to be a 15-16 week run at which point I may just drop the Dien Ace and cruise on the Trest at 200-300mg/wk.  I am also on TRT Test Cyp 150mg/wk.


Decrease in sleep quality? I haven't experienced that I'm nearing end of week one at 700mg/week trest ace. INFACT my sleep has gotten better def have noticed the increase for internal body temperature
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Posted 21 October 2014 - 01:05 PM

I see you found what I was talking about with trest. It really is some great stuff. 100mg/day like I'm doing is BEAST. Strength, recovery, size, appetite, libido, good mood is all through the roof. It's strong enough to notice daily changes some subtle some not so subtle. Test prop and test no ester are the only ones I'll run from now on on cycle the longer esters will be for cruising

 

Sounds like you are having a nice experience with it. Congrats!

That's a pretty hefty dose. I really hope that I can manage to keep my dose around 200mg/Week with some nice progress.



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 01:10 PM

Great log.  Following along.  My subject is in the 3rd week of running Trest Dec;300mg/wk, Trest Ace:350mg/wk, and Dien Ace 400mg/wk. My subject is just running the Trest Ace for 3 weeks until the Dec should be kicked in.  So far, feels very good.  Daily pinning isn't to bothersome at this point.  Effects were noitceable towards the end of week 1 with increased internal temp, decrease in sleep quality, increased libido, and towards the end of week 2 increases in strength and size.  This is supposed to be a 15-16 week run at which point I may just drop the Dien Ace and cruise on the Trest at 200-300mg/wk.  I am also on TRT Test Cyp 150mg/wk. 

 

That sounds like a great cycle!

 

So, are you running a total of 750mg/Week of Trest? That can't be right?

I have not had any problems with insomnia. Do you think that may be from the Dien?

I am also seriously considering purchasing some DTC for my cutting cycle, and running a low dose of 200mg/Week.

I've read some really good things about it. Seems like it can replace Masteron/Test/Eq together!

You have any experience with that?



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 01:12 PM

Decrease in sleep quality? I haven't experienced that I'm nearing end of week one at 700mg/week trest ace. INFACT my sleep has gotten better def have noticed the increase for internal body temperature

700mg/Week! That's insane!

Wouldn't that be comparable to about 2000mg of Test?

That makes me feel a lot better about my dose!

Thanks



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 01:22 PM

I see you found what I was talking about with trest. It really is some great stuff. 100mg/day like I'm doing is BEAST. Strength, recovery, size, appetite, libido, good mood is all through the roof. It's strong enough to notice daily changes some subtle some not so subtle. Test prop and test no ester are the only ones I'll run from now on on cycle the longer esters will be for cruising

 

Do you see anything wrong with running the Trest-Ace/Trest-Deca together?

I would much rather just run a higher dose of Trest-Deca, but I only have 1 bottle. It has been out of stock forever!

I have 2 20ml bottles of Trest-Ace.

I'm gonna order more Deca if it ever comes back in stock. It would be nice if a rep would let us know something on this!

They are essentially the same compound, so it seems like it should be fine. Right?



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:17 PM

 

Do you see anything wrong with running the Trest-Ace/Trest-Deca together?
I would much rather just run a higher dose of Trest-Deca, but I only have 1 bottle. It has been out of stock forever!
I have 2 20ml bottles of Trest-Ace.
I'm gonna order more Deca if it ever comes back in stock. It would be nice if a rep would let us know something on this!
They are essentially the same compound, so it seems like it should be fine. Right?

 
Yep, that would be fine. Just keep a small baseline dose of trest-deca and then add as much as much trest-ace as you want too.

For example:

200mg/week of trest-deca
75mg EOD of trest-ace
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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:25 PM

 
 
Yep, that would be fine. Just keep a small baseline dose of trest-deca and then add as much as much trest-ace as you want too.

For example:

200mg/week of trest-deca
75mg EOD of trest-ace

 

 

 

 

Thanks man. That's pretty much what I thought.

A couple guys gave me a hard time because of running them together, but whatever. It makes sense to me.

I am running 200mg/Week Deca, and 25mgEOD of Ace. I may taper up the dose, but I'm hoping not to have to.

 

Thanks for the confirmation!



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:29 PM

I know it keeps changing, but I think I am finally getting settled on what i am going to do.

I'm sorry I keep changing things. I'm sure I'll have it all worked out by the end of the week.

 

This is where I am at with it. Of course I may taper up/adjust AI, if I need to.

Haven't decided if I'm running 12 or 16 weeks yet. We'll just have to see how it goes. So far, so good!

 




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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:41 PM

700mg/Week! That's insane!
Wouldn't that be comparable to about 2000mg of Test?
That makes me feel a lot better about my dose!
Thanks


Probably more than that. I forgot the exact numbers but trest is twice as effective as testosterone at a 1/3 of a dose of test if that makes sense

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