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#1 Wesleyinman

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 09:24 PM

My newest Beta Test, I am going to challenge Iron Forged Nutritions newest addition to the lineup, called "MOST WANTED"

Thank you first to Iron Forged for giving me the opportunity to try this product and challenge it.  For those of you who don't know this product, it is somewhat newer in the Industry and there are not a ton of reviews on this product, so I want to see "if" it really works.





First what I will say is that I have used Iron Forged's Msten..and it was the best Msten I have ever used..without question. I used their Contraband and it is a very clean smooth product as well.  So I can honestly say I am impressed with several of their products.  Hoping this adds to the list.  Especially now that PH"s are banned, I am truly hoping this is a great new option.

What I know about Laxogenin- Very little. I have never used it, but I do know that most importantly in theory, it provides increases in positive nitrogen retention while controlling cortisol, etc..

What I know about Ecdysterone- Slightly more. I have used this product in the past, but never frequently and never with a cyclodextrin addition,  and in theory I know this also supports positive nitrogen retention, and protein synthesis.

Cyclodextrins- This is the key to this product IMO and what "might" differentiate this product from others.  Cyclodextrins make a product more Bio Available.  This is very important, because absorption is the "KEY" to any product in digestion.  We all know that medical grade proteins, such as pepto pro, or hydrolized proteins that are pre-digested are more effective then ANY protein sources including WHOLE foods.  Yes, you heard that right. Not all proteins are the same, in fact in my past working in the medical field and hospital, I personally administered Medical Grade proteins, to surgery patients and ill children, because they in fact heal the body at such a higher rate because they are more biovailable.

So the cyclodextrin, if it does make the product more 'bio-available" it will be superior to any other versions on the market.  So in theory, I do know that this is "possible."   That is what makes me more curious about this product then just plain old LAX and ECD.  It is complexed with hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin which drastically increases the bioavailability of the product.  They cyclodextrin actually has to be chemically combined with the ingredients.  Most people just don't understand the deep science of this product and assume it is regular laxogenin and ecdysterone .  These products in theory work on their own but nothing like what our this product is capable of.

Time to put it to the test.

I will be using this product at a dosage of 4 capsules per day.  The average dosage would be 2 capsules per day, with HIGH PROTEIN meals.  This is important, since the whole process of this works off using Protein more effectively.

I will be using PRESCRIPTION NUTRITION -Problend Protein (egg, whey, casein and hydro protein blend) BLUEBERRY MUFFIN flavor.
I have used this brand and flavor for years, because in my experiences there is nothing quite comparable..I do like ON and MuscleFeast, but this is higher quality, better flavors at a lower price.

I do have an HRT script, but I will not be using it for the month. I will be using my pre-workout product, Ultimate Orange Juiced and Ultimate Punched Out....and this product, with my protein, and NOTHING ELSE.

Workout- 3-4 times max and bodybuilding mode mixed with some strength workouts but I will focus on more Bodybuilding Style training since I am competing again in the upcoming year. Making my return to the stage.


I will be posting regarding the following:    I will use my normal scale of effects

Strength
Muscle Hardness
Size
Endurance
Cardio Function
Vascularity
Aggression
Anger
Depression
Overall Mood
Acne
Oily Skin
Changes in mood/temperment
Agression in the Gym
How this effects Sex
Sex Drive
Any sexually related issues
Nightmares
Night Sweats
Any conversion to gyno/pre-gyno
liver or kidney issues if they present themselves
Hair thinning
Hair Darkening
Hair growth



I will be starting this end of this week/early next week but wanted to get this outlined and ready to roll.  Feel free to ask questions. I will do my best to answer, I will have this on several forums, so please bare with me, I will be updating 3-4 times per week.  I will list my starting bodyweight on the day I begin the log.

In the meantime, here is a new video I uploaded with some old footage of PrisInman Presses.  If you don't know what this is..Urban Dictionary has a definition (funny one too) and it is actually legit based on me, which I find rather amusing.  "prisINMAN"  I have hit 385x1 on this exercise..wanna try 405. I wanna say I am around 205-210 bw in this video.  As I am currently as well in that range.

LINK TO DEFINITION
Urban Dictionary: PrisInman Presses



Thanks to everyone for having me here on your forum and lets' see what this product can do!


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Posted 29 December 2014 - 09:34 PM

Sounds interesting. Always on the lookout for some good non hormonal products. Ill be following along.
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Posted 29 December 2014 - 09:49 PM

In to see if its all hype or legit.
I know Wes will only speak the truth unlike some other folks on other forums.
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Posted 29 December 2014 - 11:35 PM

No question about it, I'm in.
A lot of controversy and nay sayers for this. Like scopes said, Wesley speaks the truth and is always a good judge of all different kinds of supplements. Show us what it's all about Wesley.
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Posted 29 December 2014 - 11:40 PM

Great vid
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Posted 30 December 2014 - 01:01 AM

Following! Good luck champ!
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Posted 30 December 2014 - 05:09 AM

You allways run excellent logs Wes.
It's such a pleasure to follow them.
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Posted 30 December 2014 - 05:12 AM

I'm in this thing!
LOLed at that urban dictionary definition :)
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Posted 30 December 2014 - 05:40 AM

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Posted 30 December 2014 - 09:07 PM

Thank you so much to everyone for following and all the kind words.  This forum is awesome.  Love you guys, thank you.

And I am VERY curious to see how this product does.

 

I am off HRT, but honestly i know how my body works in and out..so I will be able to gauge this.. I actually think since this product is not suppressive in theory that it very well might even be a potential superior product to use for PCT in all honesty.  Mind you, we have ostarine (suppressive at certain dosages) , clomid which is awesome and we have DAA..but this possibly could be the new kid on the block.

I should mention, year 2015 is my 19th year of competition.  I actually started training (with no clue what I was doing) at 9 years old..so in theory I have 25 years of lifting experience, because as shitty as those sessions may have been in my basement ez curling 15 lbs for reps of 100..i still was hitting the Iron..and determined to gain muscle at a young age.  LOL.

I have 100+ contests under my belt , 4 sports, Strongman, Bodybuilding, Highland Games and Powerlifting. If you ask me what I "am" I would say I am a Strongman stuck in a bodybuilders body LOL.

 

Anyways, thanks again for everyone following and all the kind words.  Here's some footage of me with my long time training partner Derek Poundstone. I chased his strength for years..and NEVER came close.."but" I got strong along the way.  He was a huge inspiration for me..and I ..well I helped him get tan..and get abs ;)

 


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Posted 30 December 2014 - 10:18 PM

Derek is an animal. Cool you get to hang around him and train. Did I really see him peeling skin off his inner forearm right at the end of that video? Strongman events are brutal like that.
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Posted 30 December 2014 - 11:22 PM

Haven't watch the vid yet but t's probably just that glue/stickem that they use for grip.
Or that's what I've seen on TV.
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Posted 31 December 2014 - 11:28 PM

INterested in this log, good luck
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Posted 02 January 2015 - 12:18 PM

Derek is an animal. Cool you get to hang around him and train. Did I really see him peeling skin off his inner forearm right at the end of that video? Strongman events are brutal like that.

 

Yeah it's called Tacky..it actually is very sticky like Sap and helps you grip the stones.  Even still, I have scars all over my forearms..and if you don't tacky up, well even if you do, you rip all the skin off your arms.  The worst is getting it out of the wound. I literally used to get into the shower..and scrub the Strawberry as hard as I could to get the tacky out..all the while picking out pieces of stone, etc..

It is just as painful as it sounds to be quite honest.  Strongman is a brutal sport.  You will get hurt, no matter what if you want to be good.

 

Haven't watch the vid yet but t's probably just that glue/stickem that they use for grip.
Or that's what I've seen on TV.

 

:) Yep!  TY Scope, hope ur well man.

INterested in this log, good luck

Thank you!!!!!

 


UPDATE



I have my bottles!  Excited to see what happens.  Day 1 is gonna start today but truthfully Fri, Sat, and Sun I am only going to run 2 caps ED.  Starting MONDAY I will run 4 ED.  I will train today and then Sat/Sun I am off.

I have been hitting the gym hard this week..as I was sick all last week and am down a little weight.

I weighed in around 204lbs yesterday. Had a nice session..Hit 315 x 10 on close grip bench press...which was not bad, had a few in the tank.

Leg strength was kind of weak this week..toyed with 405 for some reps..but honestly I am still recovering from the FLU.  So this is why I am not jumping in head first today.  Rather start the dosage low, get this in my system and go from there.



Been listening to some Techno/dubstep style music during my sessions (feel free to make fun) LOL.  Hooked on this song from the DRIVE soundtrack
Kavinsky- NightCall.  Check it out if you are into this style music.



Also I am supposed to be heading with my daughter to hang out with Derek Poundstone and Marshall White (WSM competitor)..not training since I have her..but rather just visiting.. Will try and get some pics next to those guys so you can see how small they make me look ;)

Also was gonna make it a surprise in this journal but I am trying to line up a workout with Evan Centopani and a good buddy of mine next weekend.  This is not definitive yet.

Anyways, here is video of me at his gym..Montanari's Powerhouse in New Haven.  I hit the 200 lb dumbells on INCLINE bench press there finally at around 205lbs bodyweight..so this is nearly a bodyweight dumbell in each hand.  Here's old footage of the 180's .  Balancing these his harder then I can explain.  It's really very very awkward..they are huge.


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Posted 02 January 2015 - 08:24 PM

Deff in on this...A bit early to tell, but this stuff looks like it has potential to be a great alternative....Good luck. 


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 09:56 AM

Ya know just lifting with Evan & Derek lol
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Posted 03 January 2015 - 10:29 AM

Deff in on this...A bit early to tell, but this stuff looks like it has potential to be a great alternative....Good luck. 

 

Hey man I agree.  And if so, i wonder what the applications for this during PCT would be since it is not suppressive.  This could be "kind of a big deal" LOL (Anchorman reference).  Ty CR for following.

Ya know just lifting with Evan & Derek lol

I have to admit I have been very lucky to train with alot of Pro's along the way.  The thing that always blows my mind is that I have alot of Pro's call me and ask me questions..and I'm always like, you are 10x as big as me..but I always forget, not all these athletes are well founded on Nutrition..they are simply genetic freaks with a passion and very hard work ethic and they are still learning along the way..as am I.

Training with Poundstone was a dream come true.  I also owe alot of my thanks to a WSM Athlete, Jesse Marunde RIP who got me into this sport and because of him and Callie aligned me with alot of good people..I am very grateful for how fortunate I am.

 

Funny alot of people ask who are the strongest people you have ever met?  Poundstone and Mariusk Pudzianowski hands down are the most impressive athletes I have ever trained with/met.  No comparison.  Big Tom McClure, Brian Shaw, Louis Phillipe Jean (canada) and Gerard Benderoth (5'10- 450lbs) are some of the biggest human beings I have ever seen.  There numbers are simply just not human.  Every one of these guys would give you the shirt off their back..nicest people in the World, I assure you.

 

Evan is huge...bigger then Derek but not even close in the strength dept.  I like Andy Hamman , Jay Cutler and Branch Warren for bodybuilding.  Big fans of them.  Hamman is a funny bastard if you have not met him..

 

Alot of people gave Andy heat for this lift..because it is not real, fake plates..but this is his sense of humor..he's just clowning around..it was never meant to be taken serious :)

 

 

Anyone ever in the CT area wants a training session, come join me..and you can always meet up with Derek at his gym, Poundstone power in Wtby, CT.

 

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Update WORKOUT #1 using Most Wanted


Took 2 caps Friday total with HIGH PROTEIN meals, that is key IMO to this product.

No noticeable benefit on day 1 which is to be completely expected. Again Monday is when I use this product full dosage.


Friday's workout- Shoulders/Back/Traps

CNS was a little bit tired and I was a little sore in the biceps, but I pulled this workout off anyways.  I generally only like to hit muscle groups when I am at optimal condition and fully rested, as I do not believe that a workout when you are sore, is benefit of any shape or kind.  I'd rather skip a day or hit a different muscle group if that is the case.

Anyways, Here is the workout:

Seated Cable Rows
100x10
150x10
200x10
300(rack)x10
rackx10

Seated Military Dumbells (weights per hand)
25x10 warmup
50x10
70x10
100x10
120x10 (went easy but feeling bicep soreness a bit)

Wesley Inman Shrugs (45lb plates)

x20
x20

add 40lb chains to centers of each
x20
x20

Front Delt Raises (dumbells) explosive motion

25x10 per arm
25x10
35x10

Seated Rows (variable form this time- Arms locked the entire time then last 1/3 of motion, quick explosive pull) this requires Mind/mental connection and is hard to explain but these are Optimal "for me" for lat development.
150x10
150x10
150x10

Lying Shoulder raises- (laying on a flat bench and holding the bar, lowering it straight down towards your quads and pausing, then back up)
45x10
45x10
45x10

Hit some abs and some stretching.

Stretching is a key factor that I have been leaving out..not on purpose, but because of time constraints. I really need to get back into the practice of stretching well after every workout.

Also I have been hydrating exceptionally well during the day and the workouts. I may include an INTRA workout of Gatorade/water/baking soda and either aminos or even pure glutamine.  I do like this for recovery purposes, I swear by it's effectiveness.

Also I forgot to mention.  At night time I began using Antaeus Labs "oneironmacer" which is a dream and recovery type product.  So far I have not had any lucid dreams but tbh, I don't remember my dreams.  I am hoping to enhance my sleep, bc I have horrible sleep patterns. So I am using this product in addition to see if it improves my sleep and therefore my recovery.


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Posted 05 January 2015 - 10:06 AM

Update

 

Starting 4 cap regimen ED..today.

So far I have noticed for a fact 3 things:

 

1) An hour after I take Most Wanted, I am hungry, very hungry.

 

2) I am sleeping better and I am waking up more rested feeling (not using OneIronMacer yet until this week so factually I can tell this is the Most Wanted doing this)

 

3) Libido and sex drive is through the roof,legit on this since I started.  Could be coincidence, but I don't believe it it, but time will tell.


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Posted 05 January 2015 - 10:21 AM

Cool
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Posted 05 January 2015 - 06:40 PM

Cool

TY again Simon for following, much appreciated!

First workout on full dosage.

Picked up some clients doing P.T again so my time is limited, but I will be sure to post up 3x per week minimum..So if anyone leaves me questions, please don't think I am being rude or ignoring..just super busy but will respond asap!

 

Had 35 minutes to train only so I had to make this one count.

 

2 caps in the am with a high protein breakfast.

Hit the gym for 2pm, which is a good time for me, gyms empty and I am pretty strong, or strongest 2-5pm in my personal experiences.

 

WORKOUT

Chest/Traps

 

**warmup for 5 mins

 

Flat Bench

135x10

225x10

315x6

405x3 (had maybe 5 in me today)

315 pause reps x 10 (5 second count resting on chest)

 

 

WesleyInman Shrugs

45x20

45x20

45x20

45x20

 

Incline Dumbells (weights per hand)

100x20

120x20

 

 

Ran out of time.  Quick but not a bad session.  Felt strong, def undertrained on this session as I had way more in me, but Under-training for me works better then overtraining.

Back at it 2morrow..wanna hit legs..might even do a 2 leg day/week routine for this month.  When I was sick I lost a small amount of size in my quads..I lose size in the quads and biceps first..always.  So I wanna bring them back to normal.

Will figure it out in the am.

Still noticed the appetite an hour after taking MostWanted and libido is exceptionally high all day on this.  I really wanna feel this out and see if this is 100% responsible.

Anyways I am motivated.  Strength was good, but WAY too early to see real results.

I actually have heard other people who ran this say they got improved sleep, and recovery and awesome pumps on this product.  The very few people who ran this at 2 caps ED liked it. Very curious to see what this stuff can do. 

 

People have asked my expectation..None.  But if I can gain 2-4lbs of muscle and lose a drop of bodyfat on such a product I think that would be HUGE.  I would love to see this outperform DAA and/or Osta.  That would be impressive IMO.

 

Back at it 2morrow.


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Posted 07 January 2015 - 03:59 PM

Update
TUESDAYS WORKOUT


Back/Biceps/Triceps

Got to the gym early in the a.m.  Barely awake. Hate training early but I punched it out.

Decided I would wait until Weds for leg day.  Which is today.

Seated Back Rows
50x20
100x10
150x10
300(rack) x 10..feels easy

Skullcrusher variation
(sitting at an angle backwards on a preacher bench)
40x20
50x20
60x20

Incline Dumbell Curls
25x10
35x10
45x10
55x10 per arm

Pullovers (slow and controlled)
50x10
70x10
100x10 (tricep bothering me at this point)

Hammer Curls
(dumbells per hand)
25x10
50x8
70x8
80x8

Super close grip Incline Press (specialty exercise-bringing bar to the chin only, pause, explode up each rep)
45x30
45x30

Dumbell deadlift into Curls
(specialty exercise, done at the end to stretch the bicep out)
50x10
50x10

Streched, hanging on a pull up bar and a few odds and ends and called it a day.

Hydrated well.

Noticed my pump stayed with me longer.  Still noticing the same things on this product. Sleep is better and in the morning I feel alot better, just not as tired and it is not as difficult to wake up.  For me this is a big deal. Only other product that seemed to do this to me was MHP's Secretagogue One which is a natural HGH releaser.

Libido still through the roof.

Nothing else to note as of yet.

Quick video I  meant to post yesterday which shows what the pause reps on bench look like:


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 08:55 PM

Ya know just lifting with Evan & Derek lol


Didn't know you were in this area too! Probably saw you at the gym tonight. Small world.
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Posted 11 January 2015 - 01:13 PM

Didn't know you were in this area too! Probably saw you at the gym tonight. Small world.

Yep I am! New England is a hot spot for IFBB, NPC and Strongman activity. We are very lucky.  Ever go to Europa Hartford? Prob seen me there working each summer :)

 

UPDATE SUNDAY 1/11/2014

Ok So I have been on this product full dosage about a week.

I will do the full update (weekly update on the entire scale of effects later) but here is an update for now.

Honestly. I am a bit startled by this product.  I dont recognize it's effects completely yet..TBH...  But it works.  I will let you know I am up 2lbs and I am far more fuller and noticeable.  I can make a little sense out of it.


1)SLEEP!  My sleep is OPTIMAL on this product. I have relied on sleep pills, tylenol PM, melatonin, etc, for years, only to wake up groggy and feel like ****.  This is the first time I have not had to use them.  To the point I am in disbelief. I wake up not feeling lethargic. I wake up feeling good and refreshed, like I haven't in years.  I don't have to take before bedtime. I just can fall asleep and turn off now like a normal human being.  This hasn't happened to me in 10+ years.  Honestly.  Remarkable difference.

2) Recovery. Partially because of the sleep but also I am not sore the next day following workouts.  This stuff is improving my recovery big time. I do believe intra workouts, BCAAs and glutamine with intra workout and post workout and before bed as well work..But I am not doing any of this.

Trust me..this product is working.  It is VERY different acting then a PH, but I see lean gains already. I am not more vascular yet.  My strength has been SOLID. I can't say it is making me stronger yet, but the pumps I have, seem to stick with me.

The sleep and recovery portion has me blown away.

The few people I have talked to that have run this say the same thing, at 2 caps ED..so I am sure it is more noticeable at 4, like I am doing.

Let me update my last workout on THURS and I will update Friday's session later on.

LEG DAY

Leg Extensions (warmups)
50x20
70x20
100x20

SQUATS (super super deep ATG- Pause at the bottom fully sitting for 5 seconds, explode up)
135x10
225x10
225x10
315x10
405x5
405x4
405x3
405x3 (these are not as easy as they sound! )

Deadlift
315x5
405x5 speed reps
495x5
585x5

Seated Calf Raises
(pause at the top for 5 seconds and squeeze each rep) and at the bottom likewise
1 plate=45lbs
1x20
2x10
3x10
4x10
4x10
4x10

Hanging ab raises and called it a day.

Here is some old footage to show my squats and the big kid behind me is my buddy Tim Terwilliger, used to work with I-force and numerous other companies.  Bunch of you guys know him.   Good kid.  Anyways, enjoy..be back later.



My apologies for the delays once again.

Product so far works. For anyone who thinks otherwise, I challenge anyone to try this and see for yourself.  I very much cannot explain how much I am impressed about the recovery/sleep portion.


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 09:34 PM

UPDATE 1/12/2015

WEEK 1- REVIEW


Strength- Strength is very good.  Not sure it has increased YET...but it is Optimal.  I feel very strong so far on this.
Muscle Hardness- Very minimal hardening, if anything more of a pump.
Size- Def look fuller and bigger already. Some water and some pump and some gain.
Endurance- Can't comment one way or another on this.  Not sure
Cardio Function- Can't say.
Vascularity- No more vascular
Aggression- Feel nice and aggressive while on this so far..def feel like my T levels are boosted.
Anger- no anger
Depression- no depression
Overall Mood- Mood is good..I would say I am super motivated and therefore happy.
Acne- NONE
Oily Skin- NONE
Changes in mood/temperment- Improved bc I am getting bigger!
Agression in the Gym- Decent.  Nothing like epistane or epiandro.but a good warm aggression underlying.
How this effects Sex- Improved.  Def better.   My libido is sky high on this.  Erection quality improved.
Sex Drive- Increased for sure.
Any sexually related issues- Overall better..improvements in sleep I am sure are part of this too.
Nightmares- Actually yes I had 2 or so while on this product, could be coincidence, not sure.
Night Sweats- NONE
Any conversion to gyno/pre-gyno- NONE
liver or kidney issues if they present themselves- None Known
Hair thinning- NONE
Hair Darkening- NONE
Hair growth- Facial hair is coming in a bit fast this week.


WEEK 1 REVIEW COMMENTS:


Product works.  Appetite up, Sleep improved, libido improved, recovery improved, etc..2lb gain.  Best sleep I have had in years. Also my body temperature I noticed is about 1-2 degrees higher most of the day.  Almost feel warm all day but good...like when your Test levels are higher..and u are warm, mildly aggressive, feel strong, but very good.

Not a bad start!!  At the gym 2morrow. Lets see what else happens.

Here's a few videos just for fun..these are old, I have used them in logs before, but this is just a little intersession for anyone who hasn't seen these yet ;)

Ty to everyone following :)






 


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#25 PZTHATER

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 12:30 AM

Awesome vids
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