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#26 Nostrum

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:12 PM

Glad to see the new sub-forum is up and running.

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:48 PM

Make it and they will cum.

 

Much to her dismay, I came early... :(


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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:51 PM

Much to her dismay, I came early... :(


Just rub it in on her back and pretend like it's all part of foreplay. ;)
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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:54 PM

Just rub it in on her back and pretend like it's all part of foreplay. ;)

Good idea. I'll report back later.


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Posted 16 March 2015 - 11:44 PM

Glad to see the new sub-forum is up and running.

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yes sir!  thanks for the help!


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 07:29 AM

Any time.
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Posted 17 March 2015 - 03:34 PM

The only b-AET products I can recall are Lean Extreme, Suppress-C, Nolvadren XT and Joint Force.

 

methyl-b-AET was in an ALRI product I believe.  I don't remember if it was effective at all, however, 17a-ethynyl-AET is a different story.  I would love to test this compound.

 

And yes, 7-Spray is a 7-oxo and 7-OH DHEA product.  I am not too fond of 7-oxo-DHEA.  I used Abliderate and really did not see much from it.  Plus some of the studies regarding TD 7-oxo and decreasing test levels kind of concern me.  But I would still support 7-Spray because of it's 7-OH content.

 

i am right there with you on the 17a ethynyl-aet.....



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Posted 18 March 2015 - 12:41 PM

or maybe we can make some transdermal steroidal anti glucorticoids that do not work via 11hsd but bind directly to the glucocorticoid receptor but no activation of its response element..the only problem will arise will be some have some bulky side chains/mol weight/and permeation issues. some/most will be better suited to oral.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 10:11 PM

or maybe we can make some transdermal steroidal anti glucorticoids that do not work via 11hsd but bind directly to the glucocorticoid receptor but no activation of its response element..the only problem will arise will be some have some bulky side chains/mol weight/and permeation issues. some/most will be better suited to oral.

 

OoOoO, working directly on the GR, eh?  Now THAT's what I'm talking about.  See I believe that's how most anabolics/androgenics work in regards to the GR; at least that's how I'm interpreting it from literature.  They bind to the GR but do not activate it.  It's the old "lock and key" mechanism where instead in this case, the key slips into the lock, however it can't turn it or "activate" it because the teeth of the key don't all match up with the lock.

 

This would be a pretty good approach and definitely novel if it can be without an anabolic per se.

 

Honestly, if I was a company, I would seriously look into b-AET in every possible way I can, along with 7-OH.  I'm telling you, when I used Suppress-C, I have never felt so good in terms of mental and physical functioning.  Maybe because I was younger too at the time, but still there was a definite effect on the midsection.  Plus b-AET has anxiolytic properties along with an array of immuno action.

 

The only DHEA metabolite I don't like is 7-oxo.  I know that b-AET, 7-OH, and 7-OXO are all interchanging metabolites, but I still don't like the thought of using 7-oxo directly.  The studies showing it's effects on the ratio of test, estro, FSH, and the others just don't sound like it's something I'd fck with.  At first I was thinking maybe the effects won't be so bad as long as I run it with things that will keep my test up, wrong.

 

I gave Abliderate a go 2x and both times, my midsection was not only staying the same, but fckin getting bigger.  My waist was literally increasing.  I'm like WTF?!?!?!  And trust me, I could not have had my diet on check any stronger than it was.  I was fckin running a ketogenic diet along with training 5x a day.  You would think this would be a recipe for torching the waist line.  I could only attribute the negative effect to 7-oxo.  I swear though, I'm like the ONLY one that doesn't benefit from 7-oxo.  Everyone else seems to lean up with it besides me.  I don't know.  Maybe my body just has a tendency to aromatize more so than others and maybe that's why I was gaining weight on 7-oxo.



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Posted 18 March 2015 - 10:35 PM

OoOoO, working directly on the GR, eh?  Now THAT's what I'm talking about.  See I believe that's how most anabolics/androgenics work in regards to the GR; at least that's how I'm interpreting it from literature.  They bind to the GR but do not activate it.  It's the old "lock and key" mechanism where instead in this case, the key slips into the lock, however it can't turn it or "activate" it because the teeth of the key don't all match up with the lock.

 

This would be a pretty good approach and definitely novel if it can be without an anabolic per se.

 

Honestly, if I was a company, I would seriously look into b-AET in every possible way I can, along with 7-OH.  I'm telling you, when I used Suppress-C, I have never felt so good in terms of mental and physical functioning.  Maybe because I was younger too at the time, but still there was a definite effect on the midsection.  Plus b-AET has anxiolytic properties along with an array of immuno action.

 

The only DHEA metabolite I don't like is 7-oxo.  I know that b-AET, 7-OH, and 7-OXO are all interchanging metabolites, but I still don't like the thought of using 7-oxo directly.  The studies showing it's effects on the ratio of test, estro, FSH, and the others just don't sound like it's something I'd fck with.  At first I was thinking maybe the effects won't be so bad as long as I run it with things that will keep my test up, wrong.

 

I gave Abliderate a go 2x and both times, my midsection was not only staying the same, but fckin getting bigger.  My waist was literally increasing.  I'm like WTF?!?!?!  And trust me, I could not have had my diet on check any stronger than it was.  I was fckin running a ketogenic diet along with training 5x a day.  You would think this would be a recipe for torching the waist line.  I could only attribute the negative effect to 7-oxo.  I swear though, I'm like the ONLY one that doesn't benefit from 7-oxo.  Everyone else seems to lean up with it besides me.  I don't know.  Maybe my body just has a tendency to aromatize more so than others and maybe that's why I was gaining weight on 7-oxo.

 

i also tried 7keto dhea and did not like the way it made me feel, skin looked crappy, armpits smelled worse than normal, generalized malaise. i feel your pain regarding the waistline, i hate the feel of sitting down and having a roll of skin that hangs over my beltline while the rest of my body is ripped, especially since it was not there 10 years ago,,,and the gray hairs.lol

 

as for the anti glucorticoid steroids i believe there may have been one that was popular before one of the ph bans..i believe it was one of the estra 4,9 diene steroids, maybe one of the pregnane structures as well.....others possibly



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Posted 19 March 2015 - 12:33 AM

i also tried 7keto dhea and did not like the way it made me feel, skin looked crappy, armpits smelled worse than normal, generalized malaise. i feel your pain regarding the waistline, i hate the feel of sitting down and having a roll of skin that hangs over my beltline while the rest of my body is ripped, especially since it was not there 10 years ago,,,and the gray hairs.lol

 

as for the anti glucorticoid steroids i believe there may have been one that was popular before one of the ph bans..i believe it was one of the estra 4,9 diene steroids, maybe one of the pregnane structures as well.....others possibly

 

Phew, glad I'm not the only one.  I thought I was maybe doing something wrong, but honestly I had everything in check.  I knew 7-oxo was the culprit in this, especially the 2nd time around.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if dienedione (X-Tren) had some anti-glucocorticoid activity, since all androgens do.  It might've been the work of its conversion to it's parent hormone, dienolone, as I don't think diendione itself is active.  Don't quote me on that though.



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Posted 19 March 2015 - 04:01 AM

Exciting news. Welcome back

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 09:29 PM

comming soon....precious sold separately

 

 

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 03:43 PM

Really curious to see what IL is coming up with.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 06:28 PM

i am guessing no more norethandriol like structures? that stuff made the skin on my face look 10 years younger.



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:32 PM

Scope where's your log at?
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Posted 02 April 2015 - 04:04 PM

any idea on amount of laxo in VÄ“dius, and/or amount per mL? 



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Posted 02 April 2015 - 04:10 PM

Yes sir: 3g - 100mg/ml @ 30ml
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Posted 02 April 2015 - 06:05 PM

Yes sir: 3g - 100mg/ml @ 30ml

 

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 04:09 PM

Vedius will begin shipping the week of the 20th! 

 

We're also working on bringing more TD products that you guys should really like :)


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Posted 12 April 2015 - 08:20 AM

Score !!

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Posted 12 April 2015 - 05:13 PM

inb4 TD Creatine



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Posted 24 April 2015 - 08:46 AM

Any hints as to what we can expect in the future? I'm curious what you guys have in the making

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 12:51 PM

Quick update:  Vedius should begin shipping next week!

 

 

Any hints as to what we can expect in the future? I'm curious what you guys have in the making

 

expect some info shortly ;)


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Posted 14 May 2015 - 02:35 PM

The only b-AET products I can recall are Lean Extreme, Suppress-C, Nolvadren XT and Joint Force.

 

methyl-b-AET was in an ALRI product I believe.  I don't remember if it was effective at all, however, 17a-ethynyl-AET is a different story.  I would love to test this compound.

 

And yes, 7-Spray is a 7-oxo and 7-OH DHEA product.  I am not too fond of 7-oxo-DHEA.  I used Abliderate and really did not see much from it.  Plus some of the studies regarding TD 7-oxo and decreasing test levels kind of concern me.  But I would still support 7-Spray because of it's 7-OH content.

 

there were 3 or 4 of the MbAET products back then. alri, anabolic extreme, etc...AX called theirs "Retain". i tried them a couple of times and i, like you, cant remember if it was effective. i'm sure i wasn't impressed though or i would remember it.

from the feedback i have seen, bAET is suposedly better. that may be why the methyls left the market. idk


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