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My 18 Month Battle With Candida. A Functioning Alcoholic's Sob Sob Story


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#1 dacookiemonsta

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 09:00 AM

I posted this in the another thread and thought why not just give it its own thread.  Really curious on general thoughts on this.  Let me throw this out there first and foremost.  I don't think frequently anymore.  Maybe once a month.  So "stop drinking" will not be helpful advice.

You know I gotta admit.  I've always been a "fitness freak" by day and heavy drinker by night and didn't have what i'd consider any real adverse effects until last year. This is as good of thread as any to talk about it. 

I started taking pros when I was 19 (the internet did not have easy to find resources on such information back then).. We're talking like 1ad etc..  I'm 31 now so picture around 1999 when 1-ad etc. was popular. 

It's hard for me to even try to tell somebody what all I took for a 4-5 year time frame with prohormones... This guy at the gym took this oral so I took it for 6 weeks..  PCT?  Dafuq is that?

M1T? I was on that shit for at least 4 weeks and I can promise you there may have been a total of 2-3 days I didn't drink on it.  I feel like a lethargic piece of dog shit but I thought I was just depressed over a girl at the time. 

Moving forward to more recent history and the present.  I've taken dbol 5-6 weeks, along with another methyl, and drank on it every single night.  I can look at a calendar year, more like 2, where I drank at least 360 days of that year. 

Now we're not talking wake up at 6 a.m. straight drinking or noon or 2 or 5.  I have ADHD, social anxiety disorder, and have never been able to sleep. Brain just doesn't shut off.  Alcohol kind of became my sedative. Drink 2-3 4 locos and wake up at 6 a.m. cook breakfast and move on with the day.. Rinse and repeat. 

First off 4 locos are a ton of sugar, some stim, and something like 600 calories.  So on average I was ingesting 1200-1800 calories right before going to be every night, yes every night, for a year.  Despite that I still maintained a pretty decent body composition.

Looking back at last year, though, my age and battle with what I'd rather consider nightly intoxication finally got to me.  I decided to try something different than dbol just to give another oral a chance.  I bought a bottle of dmz 2.0 and saw what it could do. Things got weird. 

Within the first 3-5 days of taking it I felt fine.  By the 6-7th day I felt kind of crappy.  And I started to notice this weird taste in my mouth that felt like I had a copper penny back there or something.  I looked at the very back of my tongue and I had this thick white scrapable crap on there.  

I panicked.  I got off the dmz 2.0..  Didn't drink for like the next 3-4 days and it went away.  Unfortunately I'm stubborn and thought to myself "it was likely a coincidence or something".  Got back on dmz..  Was on it 3-4 nights without actually drinking and finally had some drinks (3 4 locos) and bam.. This white stuff is back.. The weird taste in my mouth is back.. etc. etc. etc.

That was over 18 months ago and I've been dealing with this shit since.  To me it's pretty obvious I have an overgrowth of candida caused by 1. taking an oral that kind of through off my immune system and 2. drinking sugary alcohol drinks immediately before going to bed that would just sit in my gut creating just a tremendous potential breeding ground for bad bacteria to kick some ass and take some names. 

I went to a dr.  He said "ok maybe it's oral thrush" gave me freaking myostatin to rinse around in my mouth. Did nothing.  Finally went and saw my nurse practitioner who actually fucking listened to me.. She put me on 2 weeks of fluconazole...  Which.. Simply isn't long enough.  I told her that at the time.  This wasn't just in my mouth.  It originated in my gut, spread through my esophagus, and would mostly at night kind of "wash ashore" on my tongue.  

The two weeks removed nearly all of it (actually removed everything from the tongue) but as soon as I was finished it came right back.  If you think it's origination is deeper (again like esophagus) you need to go 2 weeks above and beyond that dosage and she said she wasn't comfortable with that due to liver toxicity. 

She sends me to a Wash U specialist..  He looks at my tongue for 2 seconds says "it's geographical tongue there's nothing wrong with you" and sends me on my way.  I say to him.. If it's geographical tongue why haven't I had an appetite in 6 months, why am I down 20 lbs, and why do I have this white discharge that backwashes into everything I drink. 

I show him a picture of a huge cup of water I had been drinking the previous morning.  I hadn't eaten breakfast of any kind and there's just these white particles that pile up in a cup of water...  Probably 2 TBSP worth..  And he just sat there and was like 'well I don't know but it's not candida". "You look like a healthy young man". 

Yeah, thanks doc, for telling me a disease that could be ravaging my insides doesn't exist because you looked at the back of my tongue and I "appear" to be healthy on the outside.  I hope you don't do that with would be cancer patients or guys with HIV.  One of the dumbest things I've ever been told and I went at him a little bit explaining how ridiculous his logic was and just left. 

Here we are now I'm back on the fluca.  This time 200mg.  This time running it a month.  I'm trying to run a fairly low carb diet throughout.  I thought about cutting carbs completely out but I've read candida can actually feast on ketones.

Of all the things I thought I may have issues with down the road (liver mainly) I never thought I'd have to battle something like this considering my daily diet was great back then.  Never occurred to me what putting 200g of sugar down my throat with alcohol and letting that sit in my gut each and every night could eventually do.  Never heard of candida or gave 2 fucks about it. 

It'll get you sooner or later


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 09:23 AM

Fukin wow.......unbelievable story. Blew me away.

Sorry I'm from Aus but what are locos? Are they alcoholic drinks mixed with cola etc? It's the cola that brought this on am I correct? And then the orals increased the sensitivity?

How's you liver? Have you had that checked?

Man I hope the road to recovery can be achieved as quickly as possible.
I am sure when I say this forum is hear for you....totally. There are some really smart heads here who may also assist in your recovery. But of course run this via your medical professional first.

Stay strong champ, just like you did when dealing with the doctors at the beginning who wouldn't listen and you persisted you were right.

Good luck with it all. Keep us posted if you chose too.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 09:30 AM

^^ 4 Loco is an energy drink mixed with malt liquor. Things are fucking harsh at 12% alcohol.

OP, crazy story.
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Posted 22 September 2015 - 09:59 AM

Fukin wow.......unbelievable story. Blew me away.

Sorry I'm from Aus but what are locos? Are they alcoholic drinks mixed with cola etc? It's the cola that brought this on am I correct? And then the orals increased the sensitivity?

How's you liver? Have you had that checked?

Man I hope the road to recovery can be achieved as quickly as possible.
I am sure when I say this forum is hear for you....totally. There are some really smart heads here who may also assist in your recovery. But of course run this via your medical professional first.

Stay strong champ, just like you did when dealing with the doctors at the beginning who wouldn't listen and you persisted you were right.

Good luck with it all. Keep us posted if you chose too.

I definitely will and I appreciate the kind words.  Even if it was self-inflicted from years of neglect it's still been a pain in the ass trying to heed the wake up call I needed. Tripleovertime head the nail on the head below on what it is. 
 

 

^^ 4 Loco is an energy drink mixed with malt liquor. Things are fucking harsh at 12% alcohol.

OP, crazy story.

I'm wondering if I should have told this story in another forum like the health and nutrition one.  Hoping some of the expert nutrition guys see this and chime in. Somebody like TruthorNothing would be interesting.  

Hell I'll throw in a couple pictures I have on my phone so people can see what I'm talking about. It's a bit gross not going to lie. 

The most annoying aspect is repeatedly my dr. said "well i don't see why your immune system would be compromised for this unless you have HIV.  I'm like "i was just tested for HIV" she tested me again.. No HIV.  I've had one partner the last 18 months and that's my pregnant girlfriend/future wife.  

So, and I'm obviously speculating here, but I'm like "look I took a harsh oral steroid that definitely threw off my body's immune system.. It's that simple.  You combine that with hundreds upon hundreds of grams sugar mixed with alcohol just sitting in the gut..  Do the math. 

I will say this.  I wanted to get rid of this before doing my last dbol cycle but I needed something to boost my appetite again and it's certainly done that.  I'm finally back up to eating 4-5 meals a day and just being HUNGRY in between instead of forcing food deal every single day. 

I'll throw up a couple pictures of what I'm dealing with today..  One or two of my tongue and one of the white material backwashed into each and every cup I drink water from.  It's especially bad in the morning (along with the film you can scrape off) which is to be expected given the fact you are on your back all night. 

The biggest issue for me is if you get into reading about it and go to 3 different websites you get 3 different do/don'ts on diets to rid yourself of it.  I thought about going carb free a month but apparently they can readily feed off ketones too..


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 11:39 AM

Don't want to see any nasty pictures!. Maybe I missed it, but did you get full blood work?. A CMP?. I'd ask for that and go from there. 


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 11:47 AM

1 four loco gives me a pretty good buzz, couldn't imagine being addicted to 4 a night. I think they are banned in some states now.. Not sure I haven't drank in the last few years.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 11:47 AM

Crazy story, thanks for sharing.


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 03:12 PM

Don't want to see any nasty pictures!. Maybe I missed it, but did you get full blood work?. A CMP?. I'd ask for that and go from there. 

No blood work has been ordered at all over it.. Ever.  But they can tell me, without question, that it's freaking geographical tongue I suddenly developed at 30 years old...  From looking at my tongue. 

The "specialist" I went to is like "well none of it is scraping off right now".  And I said "that's because when I drink a fluid it backwashes into the fluid..  Here is a picture of it".  "Like I said before the material primarily develops on the tongue over night (presumably because it's coming up my throat as I lay on my back for those 6-8 hours. 

He goes "welp you're healthy" "I see no reason for concern" "You might have acid reflux".  I just shook my head.  I started to shake and I teed off on him for a bit and then brought it back down before I got riled up.

I know there is a blood test that specifically tests for this and is considered one of the real ways you can definitively tell if somebody is being infected or not..


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Posted 22 September 2015 - 03:28 PM

My tongue for the last 18 months since that fateful morning. 

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 03:30 PM

White material coming from my throat regularly backwashed into every cup of water I'm drinking. 

I had been up 4-6 hours at this point and not eaten a thing.. So it wasn't food.  

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 09:02 PM

Was interested in your candidia story after your other thread. I have heard of this and the symptoms are pretty broad. That being said, I am not a doc but looks like you have something according to the pictures.

Thanks for sharing, but those pics were gross. Lol

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 10:42 PM

Was interested in your candidia story after your other thread. I have heard of this and the symptoms are pretty broad. That being said, I am not a doc but looks like you have something according to the pictures.

Thanks for sharing, but those pics were gross. Lol

It's weird and gross shit man. 

Some days my tongue will look about 90% normal for a day or two then back to this.  And constantly having white floating sediment or whatever you'd call it in your drinks all the time just floating around.. 

I'll also say this..  It took me some time to figure this all out and piece everything together...  But this stuff does some crazy stuff with sugar..  I would ingest something then feel a very foggy almost drunk like feeling with extreme moodyness for about the next 10-15 minutes. 

I kind of just embraced the sugar the last month though.  I embraced just being hungry for the first time in months on a daily basis. Ate anything and everything I wanted.  But as of today I'm down to under 20g of carbs per meal. I thought about going carb free but then I read candida actually can readily feast of ketones.. So. . There goes that. 

I was hoping to get some of the fitness/nutrition guys in here that know more science behind this.  I possibly could have posted it in the other sub forum.  

Wouldn't mind seeing somebody like truthornothing chime in or somebody of his ilk. 


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 12:35 PM

I'd look into any and everything GUT HEALTH wise.
I'd also not run your cycle until this is handled. No point in taxing you body more than its being taxed now. Gains/muscles aren't worth your overall health. Looking good is one thing but feeling good is where it's at.
I'm no super jacked and lean guy but I feel fucking great and that allows me to stay on track because I know looking my best isn't far away and once I'm looking how I want and feeling great THE WORLD WILL BE MINE. But I can share it with others. Lol
I just got on a gut health kick so good timing for this thread.
I have on the way to me Green Vibrance, Rainbow Vibrance, Green Superfood, and Glutamine all from Amazon. Some are redundant but money on health is money well spent so I don't mind the cost or taking a little more of somethings that just raise the cost because if it makes me feel better and keeps me healthy I'll be a Super Jacked and Lean MOFO
Plus I picked up some of that husk fiber from Costco, along with some antacids with cal/mag.
Reason being is I've been eating my face off lately and been gassy with some heartburn here and there and I plan to add even more cals here shortly so I want my gut to be 110%.

And about the heartburn it's from garlic and onion because I LOVE both and they add so much flavor I over do them and it taste good but tasting it later is shitty.
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Posted 23 September 2015 - 12:40 PM

Oh and id cut out all highly processed foods and replace them with whole foods and maybe even gluten free sources if you want some processed food.
I'm not anti wheat but I know from testing things out and going GF for a bit then having the same amount of non GF carbs I do better and feel better GF.
I still eat all carbs but if I have a choice I'll go GF all day over nonGF.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 03:23 PM

"I just got on a gut health kick so good timing for this thread. 
I have on the way to me Green Vibrance, Rainbow Vibrance, Green Superfood, and Glutamine all from Amazon. Some are redundant but money on health is money well spent so I don't mind the cost or taking a little more of somethings"

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Oh and id cut out all highly processed foods and replace them with whole foods and maybe even gluten free sources if you want some processed food. 
I'm not anti wheat but I know from testing things out and going GF for a bit then having the same amount of non GF carbs I do better and feel better GF.
I still eat all carbs but if I have a choice I'll go GF all day over nonGF"

I've been eating a little brown rice or couscous as my carb.  I keep it around 15-20g carb per larger meal.  10 for smaller. 

I've also been drinking a tablespoon of warmed coconut oil in water 4-5 times a day.  Apparently candida hates it due to its anti-fungal properties. 

Im also taking a probiotic (that's a given).  Since I started turmeric (coincidence or not) my digestive issues have seemed to be a bit better.  I know they're still debating what benefits turmeric has. 

We'll see how this goes.  I have 27 days left on 200mg a day of diflucan..  Pretty much in the upper range of recommended dosage length and mg.  I had to get this myself unfortunately.

I tried to show my dr. a couple articles stating 1.  Upon disappearance of the growth on your tongue you need to continue dosage AT LEAST another week and many recommend two more weeks..  This stuff starts in your gut..  Overruns there.. Then the throat..  And lastly the mouth. 

So instead of a month prescription (which would be necessary with how far this had gone) I was given 2 weeks worth at 100mg a day.  At least she gave me something.

Infectious disease dr. just says "open wide" "oh you're fine". Really hard to have faith in the health care system at all.  


Btw I put garlic and onion in everything man.  Everything. 


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 08:43 PM

So this thread got me checking shit out and my tongue has stuff on it to and I've been gassy/bloaty lately along with a couple other symptoms.
Have a dentist appointment next Tuesday so I'll ask if it's anything to worry about then.
Plus I'm dealing with a stomach virus or something right now too.

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 01:51 AM

Hey champ just recently my daughter had the same type looking thing on the tongue.

Doctor took sample and he's treating as follows.

1. Came back as nothing so a proper hygiene, brushing teeth and tongue at least THREE times a day.
2. After a couple of weeks, slight improvement. Next course is diet concerning acid reflux. Apparently we don't always know this is occurring. Processed foods, sugary drinks etc main causes. Two weeks in she is waaaay better. It also has cleared her throat of which she was always trying to clear everything few minutes or so.

So I'm with Scope on this. It's probably very much a gut thing. The stomach as taken so much punishment for so long, esp of the sugar alcoholic drinks.

But bloodwork you need to get totally, wipe out all bases first. But in the meantime, whole foods, esp fresh veges and water with squeezed lemon I have been told.

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 01:56 AM

Oh and wonder if a short but detailed fast could assist. Starve the shit in the gut and let the body self repair.

Do a fast like this for four weeks.

5 days eat normally, but whole foods, fresh veges etc, you know the drill and two days just water my friend. Fasting is worldly known to assist and even cure esp toxic stomach issues. This IMO only champ, me no doctor lol

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 08:17 AM

Hey champ just recently my daughter had the same type looking thing on the tongue.

Doctor took sample and he's treating as follows.

1. Came back as nothing so a proper hygiene, brushing teeth and tongue at least THREE times a day.
2. After a couple of weeks, slight improvement. Next course is diet concerning acid reflux. Apparently we don't always know this is occurring. Processed foods, sugary drinks etc main causes. Two weeks in she is waaaay better. It also has cleared her throat of which she was always trying to clear everything few minutes or so.

So I'm with Scope on this. It's probably very much a gut thing. The stomach as taken so much punishment for so long, esp of the sugar alcoholic drinks.

But bloodwork you need to get totally, wipe out all bases first. But in the meantime, whole foods, esp fresh veges and water with squeezed lemon I have been told.

 

1.  Yeah I've tried the brushing my teeth 2-3 times a day..  Mouthwash 2-3 times a day.. Washing myostatin around..  None of it seemed to do a thing..  Just not hitting the underlying issue IMO. 

 

Oh and wonder if a short but detailed fast could assist. Starve the shit in the gut and let the body self repair.

Do a fast like this for four weeks.

5 days eat normally, but whole foods, fresh veges etc, you know the drill and two days just water my friend. Fasting is worldly known to assist and even cure esp toxic stomach issues. This IMO only champ, me no doctor lol

 

 

Oh and wonder if a short but detailed fast could assist. Starve the shit in the gut and let the body self repair.

Do a fast like this for four weeks.

5 days eat normally, but whole foods, fresh veges etc, you know the drill and two days just water my friend. Fasting is worldly known to assist and even cure esp toxic stomach issues. This IMO only champ, me no doctor lol

I've strongly considered incorporating some fasting in my diet.  Probably the next step if this fluca doesn't help. 

I will say there's been a few days I basically nothing but soups (and went around most of the carbs) and in those few days my tongue almost looked like its normal self.  But again...  To me that's just the tip of the iceberg here. 

So you wonder what kind of diet could you prolong 2-3 weeks.  Soup diet with about 10g of carbs a meal?  Who knows. 


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Posted 24 September 2015 - 09:02 AM

I would say more fermented foods. You want good bacteria in the gut to replace the bad, especially when you come off the meds.

Probiotics are a good start but fermented (non alcoholic) things like raw sauerkraut, kefir, yogurt, kimchee, kombucha, have different probiotics that are important.

I would also try to NOT use antacids if you can avoid them. They neutralize your stomach acid and can cause digestive issues. If your acid is too weak it can't break stuff down. Maybe try digestive enzymes for heartburn or other digestive probs.
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Posted 24 September 2015 - 09:16 AM

NOW Foods makes a Candida support supp.  Can't comment on its efficacy though.  Just thought I'd throw that out there if you were taking the "throw everything at it, and see what sticks" approach.



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Posted 24 September 2015 - 10:48 AM

NOW Foods makes a Candida support supp.  Can't comment on its efficacy though.  Just thought I'd throw that out there if you were taking the "throw everything at it, and see what sticks" approach.

Thanks for the heads up.  Just purchased a bottle on amazon.  Certainly can't hurt anything to throw this in the mix too.  


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Posted 30 September 2015 - 11:45 AM

I'd def listen to scope and lose. Get on as much powdered greens and gut health as you can. And fasting for sure! No orals, I would just stick to a tart dose of test until you get better. That shit looks rough man. Hope the best for you.




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