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#1 testosteronet

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Posted 04 November 2015 - 03:41 PM

In layman' terms, how would a chemist differentiate between these two since the molecular weight is the same? Is the a isomer harder to produce or just cheaper than the b isomer? Have you ever seen legit androsterone?
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Posted 06 November 2015 - 12:29 PM

steroids are all made from plant steroids like beta-sitosterol and diosgenin.  

 

these steroids have 3-OH in the beta configuration, so throughout the semi-synthesis to stuff like DHEA and pregnenolone (and beyond) it remains like that

 

To isomerize it to 3alpha is not an easy or cheap thing to do

 

I dont recall seeing legit androsterone in samples i have tested.  It is a stronger androgen than epiandrosterone for sure


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Posted 06 November 2015 - 12:53 PM

Thank you very much for your responses.
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Posted 06 November 2015 - 01:36 PM

steroids are all made from plant steroids like beta-sitosterol and diosgenin.  

 

these steroids have 3-OH in the beta configuration, so throughout the semi-synthesis to stuff like DHEA and pregnenolone (and beyond) it remains like that

 

To isomerize it to 3alpha is not an easy or cheap thing to do

 

I dont recall seeing legit androsterone in samples i have tested.  It is a stronger androgen than epiandrosterone for sure

 

What was the compounds if it was not Androsterone?? Was it being marketed as Androsterone and then tested as something else??
 

Do you have any ability to say per MG how much stronger, ratio wise, Androsterone is compared to Epiandro?? 

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 01:51 PM

Ten bucks Chinaman says androsterone and tests epiandrosterone.

PA's test is the only I'll believe if someone says they have legit androsterone on hand.

The only 2 companies that I know of that claimed androsterone are Primordial and Forerunner.

Primordial put androsterone on V1 label, then posts it was actually epiandrosterone. V2 comes and says esterified androsterone only. Then, V3 comes and says esterified androsterone and epiandrosterone.

Forerunner put androsterone,
epiandrosterone, and agmatine in a product.

If androsterone and epiandrosterone are both on a label, is it possible to detect if androsterone is present? Can the liquid in a gelcap be tested for androsterone?

Just curious as to testing techniques. Obviously, testing raws would be much easier.

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 09:04 PM

 

 

To isomerize it to 3alpha is not an easy or cheap thing to do

 

I dont recall seeing legit androsterone in samples i have tested.  It is a stronger androgen than epiandrosterone for sure

 

the androsterone product i tested out seemed bunk..ate it like candy and did not notice anything but diarrhea during the last week



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Posted 06 November 2015 - 09:15 PM

I have been trying to get my hands on legit androsterone raws for years. It's like the unicorn, I'm not sure it can successfully be synthesized and make it across the pond.
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Posted 07 November 2015 - 11:42 AM

I have been trying to get my hands on legit androsterone raws for years. It's like the unicorn, I'm not sure it can successfully be synthesized and make it across the pond.

I believe what you are saying is true..it is rare.

However, certain companies, you have to trust.  P.P was one of them.  IML Is the same. I am a rep for them, only after years of trusting their products.  I have never had one product they have let me down, not one.  Do I agree they can be expensive at times?? 100%.  But the quality, I will never question. 

 

I will ask them for copies of the labs to post.  They never once have not been up front with me when asking for any verifications. I think this will be the real deal.


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Posted 13 November 2015 - 03:53 PM

What was the compounds if it was not Androsterone?? Was it being marketed as Androsterone and then tested as something else??
 

Do you have any ability to say per MG how much stronger, ratio wise, Androsterone is compared to Epiandro?? 

Thank you!!

 

What was the compounds if it was not Androsterone?? Was it being marketed as Androsterone and then tested as something else??
 

Do you have any ability to say per MG how much stronger, ratio wise, Androsterone is compared to Epiandro?? 

Thank you!!

 

everything i have tested that has been labeled androsterone ended up being epiandrosterone

 

Vida has assays listed for both versus test by injection

 

Androsterone 50 androgenic  30 anabolic

 

Epiandrosterone 2 androgenic  no entry anabolic


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Posted 13 November 2015 - 03:55 PM

Ten bucks Chinaman says androsterone and tests epiandrosterone.

PA's test is the only I'll believe if someone says they have legit androsterone on hand.

The only 2 companies that I know of that claimed androsterone are Primordial and Forerunner.

Primordial put androsterone on V1 label, then posts it was actually epiandrosterone. V2 comes and says esterified androsterone only. Then, V3 comes and says esterified androsterone and epiandrosterone.

Forerunner put androsterone,
epiandrosterone, and agmatine in a product.

If androsterone and epiandrosterone are both on a label, is it possible to detect if androsterone is present? Can the liquid in a gelcap be tested for androsterone?

Just curious as to testing techniques. Obviously, testing raws would be much easier.

 

 

yes, and yes


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Posted 13 November 2015 - 03:57 PM

I believe what you are saying is true..it is rare.

However, certain companies, you have to trust.  P.P was one of them.  IML Is the same. I am a rep for them, only after years of trusting their products.  I have never had one product they have let me down, not one.  Do I agree they can be expensive at times?? 100%.  But the quality, I will never question. 

 

I will ask them for copies of the labs to post.  They never once have not been up front with me when asking for any verifications. I think this will be the real deal.

 

i want to see a mass spectrum.  No UV absorbance or NMR bullshit

 

If you want the truth send to me and i will test for 100 bucks


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Posted 13 November 2015 - 04:34 PM

Yeah, get it tested by PA!. 


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Posted 13 November 2015 - 05:26 PM

i want to see a mass spectrum.  No UV absorbance or NMR bullshit

 

If you want the truth send to me and i will test for 100 bucks

Will pass this on to IML for you right now.  Ty for the feedback!


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Posted 13 November 2015 - 06:24 PM

i want to see a mass spectrum.  No UV absorbance or NMR bullshit

 

If you want the truth send to me and i will test for 100 bucks

 

i appreciate your quest for the truth, Pat



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Posted 13 November 2015 - 09:32 PM

i want to see a mass spectrum. No UV absorbance or NMR bullshit

If you want the truth send to me and i will test for 100 bucks

I'll send you a $100 and a sealed bottle when it comes out if they won't. Now we talking turkey.

By the way, thanks for your answers above again.
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Posted 18 November 2015 - 01:54 PM

I'll send you a $100 and a sealed bottle when it comes out if they won't. Now we talking turkey.

By the way, thanks for your answers above again.

thanks for stepping up and the rest of you selfish bastards FU


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Posted 18 November 2015 - 09:23 PM

thanks for stepping up and the rest of you selfish bastards FU


All about the quest for truth, PA. If you say good, I'm on it.

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Posted 18 November 2015 - 10:19 PM

thanks for stepping up and the rest of you selfish bastards FU

 

LOL.  

I can't help it man.  I've bought bulk "Androsterone" like 5x.  I'm broke. 



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Posted 03 December 2015 - 02:48 PM

Then the question that should be asked, does alpha or beta isomer have any effect on conversion to the target hormone?

Most if not all are not using epiandro or androsterone for their own effects and they aren't injecting them either.

People are taking it in hopes of decent conversion to dht, I think ?
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Posted 03 December 2015 - 03:33 PM

Then the question that should be asked, does alpha or beta isomer have any effect on conversion to the target hormone?

Most if not all are not using epiandro or androsterone for their own effects and they aren't injecting them either.

People are taking it in hopes of decent conversion to dht, I think ?

 

I would think, based on the fact that it assays as a much stronger androgen, that Androsterone would have a more significant rate of being metabolized into DHT


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 05:28 PM

Why's that?

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 05:07 AM

So is the SoCal-nutrition adrosterone legit?

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 08:44 AM

i want to see a mass spectrum.  No UV absorbance or NMR bullshit

 

If you want the truth send to me and i will test for 100 bucks

 

Would a mass spec be able to differentiate androsterone from epiandrosterone? Wouldn't they have the same molecular ion peaks and fragmentation? 


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Posted 08 December 2015 - 09:19 PM

^^^ bump  ^^^

 

No updates on the lab testing.

Also I don't know how much stronger Androsterone would be then Epiandro is.

What I do know is I am running it 3-400mgs ED when it comes out and I will give honest feedback. Want to hear from others as well.


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Posted 06 January 2016 - 12:05 PM

So is the SoCal-nutrition adrosterone legit?

Bum Pity Bump

It tested as epiandrosterone. He's still working on it. So, here we are. Are we seeing legit androsterone entering the market or we still the unicorn? Time to renew PA's contract around here.
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